Guess Flus watched a different tape than what everyone else saw.
He is not blind, but admitting it is a self-indictment for a coach who preaches HITS.
Kyle Brandt on GMF today said there is one Bear who wasn’t even trying yesterday. He said, “Bears fans know who I am talking about.” I think it is Claypool, because I had the same thought. Flus said it himself that those WR screen plays that Getsy loves to call can’t work if the guys don’t block.
Maybe Claypool just needs full season on the field, after his full offseason. Again there is a reason a team that is as good as Pitt, historically, was willing to dump him mid season for a rookie wr that had already out played him. Poles got fleeced out of a 1st rd pick for that dud.
Saw some others saying similar things on twitter, and people were also asking if he meant Davis, b/c he didn't do much out there either; other then get rocked.
Kyle Brandt on GMF today said there is one Bear who wasn’t even trying yesterday. He said, “Bears fans know who I am talking about.” I think it is Claypool, because I had the same thought. Flus said it himself that those WR screen plays that Getsy loves to call can’t work if the guys don’t block.
I do agree with that last statement of Eberflus. I'm not defending the guy, the playcalling or anything else. But yes, those guys have to block or those plays can't work. If Claypool doesn't want to play then cut him. Now. He is no good to the team if he plays like yesterday... in fact he hurts the team. Not helps. Hurts.
Kyle Brandt on GMF today said there is one Bear who wasn’t even trying yesterday. He said, “Bears fans know who I am talking about.” I think it is Claypool, because I had the same thought. Flus said it himself that those WR screen plays that Getsy loves to call can’t work if the guys don’t block.
I do agree with that last statement of Eberflus. I'm not defending the guy, the playcalling or anything else. But yes, those guys have to block or those plays can't work. If Claypool doesn't want to play then cut him. Now. He is no good to the team if he plays like yesterday... in fact he hurts the team. Not helps. Hurts.
Agree. Cut him and send a message to the players. Step up or GTFO.
Kyle Brandt on GMF today said there is one Bear who wasn’t even trying yesterday. He said, “Bears fans know who I am talking about.” I think it is Claypool, because I had the same thought. Flus said it himself that those WR screen plays that Getsy loves to call can’t work if the guys don’t block.
I do agree with that last statement of Eberflus. I'm not defending the guy, the playcalling or anything else. But yes, those guys have to block or those plays can't work. If Claypool doesn't want to play then cut him. Now. He is no good to the team if he plays like yesterday... in fact he hurts the team. Not helps. Hurts.
I agree...but I'll also put that back on the coaches. They talked about this on the CHGO post game...you wanted to run receiver screens all day and you made the best blocking receiver inactive. Thats on the coaches...they made that choice. Make it make sense.
Don't ask guys to do something they aren't good at...for whatever reason. Thats a recipe for failure.
Two things can be true: Fields played poorly and the coaching/gameplan was terrible.
One game in a long season but....it was the same as last year with no improvement, not even small steps. That makes it a schematic and coaching problem above all else.
Screens work when they are used in conjunction with downfield passing. The throw back screen to Jones work because Love was throwing the ball down the field. So when he roll out it felt to the def like they were setting up a deep shot. DL gave chase and LBs flowed to Love's side of the field. Stop, plant, throw back and TD. But the DEF had to react that way because of how GB was running their OFF.
Now the Bears: DL stop their rush and closed on the screens from behind because...there was no downfield passing. When they felt the OL block and float out, because there had been soooooo many screen passes it was easy to recover quickly. They didn't have to fear Fields setting and tossing downfield. Because he wasn't going to. Screen passes work when the DEF is reacting to something else. Screen passes don't work when the DEF doesn't have to react to anything other than screen passes. NFL defenders can defend WR screens when they know its the staple of the OFF. Look at the Mooney/Claypool disaster we saw. At the snap Mooney steps back and the Claypool does even pretend to run a route. He just stands up. GB now knows its a screen and the defender was on Claypool before Fields even throws the ball. Again, by throwing sooooo many screens they gave away the plan. Its really game planning 101.
Fields echoed what he heard when they installed the game plan when he said something like "We had numbers on the outside we just didn't block. Those were chuck plays we left on the field." Yes but NO! Because there was no down the field component to the OFF GB LBS/S/CBs could prioritize where their attention went.
I honestly think Getsy saw the two screens for TDs in the PS as proof his concepts worked.
Meet the OC for the Bears.
Your points are valid and spot on.
As I posted in a different thread, I can't wrap my head around how coaches/play callers can get so rigidly blinded when things aren't working. It's beyond infuriating to watch and it's completely non-sensical so how does it happen so often? Maybe someone who has inside knowledge of football teams and coaching staffs here can enlighten me. I'm not being flippant here; I really would like to understand how "smart football people" can behave so stupidly. Please explain it to me and thank you.
With this debacle the honeymoon period for this regime (coaches and GM) is OVER. You got a well-deserved "F" for week 1. Zero redeeming qualities. Epic Fail
As for Fields, yeah I'd give him a D+/C-. He looked sharp early on but the scheme limitations and leaky pass pro killed whatever momentum he was able to bring up. He missed several downfield opportunities later. He continues to struggle with reading the field and holding the ball too long. He's also not throwing with anticipation. The INT was a classic example -- he started down the throw, didn't read the coverage, and threw it way too late. I knew that ball was picked the moment he released it. Oh, and the fumbles are getting old, dude. You can't keep fumbling.
Justin's honeymoon period is running short too. I want our dumbshit coaches to give him a chance so he can be properly evaluated over a stretch of games (week 1 was so bad its hard to tell much). But...other than running, he's just not showing the ability to move the needle or elevate those around him yet. And he should be. If this keeps up, Bears need to move on next spring.
Two things can be true: Fields played poorly and the coaching/gameplan was terrible.
One game in a long season but....it was the same as last year with no improvement, not even small steps. That makes it a schematic and coaching problem above all else.
Screens work when they are used in conjunction with downfield passing. The throw back screen to Jones work because Love was throwing the ball down the field. So when he roll out it felt to the def like they were setting up a deep shot. DL gave chase and LBs flowed to Love's side of the field. Stop, plant, throw back and TD. But the DEF had to react that way because of how GB was running their OFF.
Now the Bears: DL stop their rush and closed on the screens from behind because...there was no downfield passing. When they felt the OL block and float out, because there had been soooooo many screen passes it was easy to recover quickly. They didn't have to fear Fields setting and tossing downfield. Because he wasn't going to. Screen passes work when the DEF is reacting to something else. Screen passes don't work when the DEF doesn't have to react to anything other than screen passes. NFL defenders can defend WR screens when they know its the staple of the OFF. Look at the Mooney/Claypool disaster we saw. At the snap Mooney steps back and the Claypool does even pretend to run a route. He just stands up. GB now knows its a screen and the defender was on Claypool before Fields even throws the ball. Again, by throwing sooooo many screens they gave away the plan. Its really game planning 101.
Fields echoed what he heard when they installed the game plan when he said something like "We had numbers on the outside we just didn't block. Those were chuck plays we left on the field." Yes but NO! Because there was no down the field component to the OFF GB LBS/S/CBs could prioritize where their attention went.
I honestly think Getsy saw the two screens for TDs in the PS as proof his concepts worked.
Meet the OC for the Bears.
Reading this makes me wonder if Fields is a fit for the Shanahan offense
I'm starting to doubt that too. If I could magically build it from scratch, I'd want a vertical-oriented deep threat passing O with an excellent pass-blocking OL. I wouldn't need much from my RBs or TEs as Fields would be a big part of the running game just with scrambles alone.
But, since we said no excuses, I'm afraid I was very disappointed in JF1. Haven't given up on him yet but safe to say it's now a very real possibility we may have to move on from him after this season. You know the "poise" and "pocket awareness" that Bagent impressed people with in PS? Unfortunately, Fields hasn't shown that yet. I'm now officially worried that he isn't gonna become "the guy".
Joe Burrow in year 2 had a horrific OL. Yes, his WR duo of Chase-Higgins is better than Moore-Mooney but not overwhelmingly so. Yet Burrow elevated his team around him and dragged that squad to within one score of winning the SB. I am still waiting to see Fields elevate anyone playing with him. That isn't there yet and if it doesn't happen then he's not gonna become a franchise starting QB.
I totally agree about Fields. I haven't given up on him, either but I'm really starting to wonder if he's the real deal. If he's really that great he should be able to elevate the players around him. This is something I was saying last year and yet some members were telling me I wasn't being fair and that no QB could succeed here, which I disagree. My point simply was that elite or even great QBs can make average receivers look good. Same way a great pass rush can make average DBs look good.
If we end up having another top 5 pick, we really must consider the option of moving on and drafting Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. But then, it would mean that we're once again embarking on a three year rebuild. sigh
I'll go one further:
Not even the most meatball Bears fan expected a deep playoff run this year. No one expects the 2023 team to be any type of "contender" beyond maybe having a shot at a wildcard late in the year.
99% of this season is about a FIELDS DECISION. You want to know whether he's the guy going forward or if you should move on by the end of THIS SEASON. We have cap space and extra draft capital next spring and how/where/why you deploy those resources depends upon exactly that fork in the road.
Personally, if getting a proper evaluation on him (meaning the coaches take the handcuffs off and stop calling plays like pussies) results in Fields looking utterly lost and throwing 6 awful INTs per game, fine! I want THE ANSWER!!! At least then, we will know what path to take. Same thing if hopefully, he starts really catching fire.
Point is, last thing you want is to finish this season with no clear answer or inadequate sample size to make a choice. Having Fields throw 16 screen passes like he did Sunday just to "protect him" will A) get you beat and B) doesn't further obtaining your objective for the season.
If Fields fails, he fails. We will likely have 2 high 1st round picks and need to draft the next QB to keep things moving. Please, please I beg you, don't screw around for years bringing in rescue vets like Foles and Dalton. Either make him the guy or move on.
I do agree with that last statement of Eberflus. I'm not defending the guy, the playcalling or anything else. But yes, those guys have to block or those plays can't work. If Claypool doesn't want to play then cut him. Now. He is no good to the team if he plays like yesterday... in fact he hurts the team. Not helps. Hurts.
I agree...but I'll also put that back on the coaches. They talked about this on the CHGO post game...you wanted to run receiver screens all day and you made the best blocking receiver inactive. Thats on the coaches...they made that choice. Make it make sense.
Don't ask guys to do something they aren't good at...for whatever reason. Thats a recipe for failure.
I agree. It's failure on multiple levels here. If only it were so simple as a problem with one player. But this is on coaches and players. I did expect the team to look pretty rough with all the young/new players. But in my wildest dreams I never expected the Bears to look that bad.
On a side note. Nate Davis blows chunks. He allowed 9 pressures. Just a turnstyle out there. He graded out at 26.8 pass blocking yesterday. That's not a typo. 26.8 pass blocking.
Quote from Flus press conference: “The effort was there.”
Quote from DJ Moore: “We didn’t bring the juice.”
Listening to Eberflus at that presser I think he's totally delusional. It was like an old Lovie Smith towards the end when he's pitifully say things like "we like our chances" when obviously the team was not good. Flus even quoted Lovie's "There's a lot of football left to play" mantra... poor Lovie would say that one until the season would mercifully end for the Bears and we could all hope for "better times" next year. It was always about "next year" - and then next year would actually arrive and it was more mediocrity. Of course those were the days when we WERE mediocre. Now we are floating in the toilet bowl bad. Oh, the glory days of mediocrity. LOL.
I listened to the CHGO pod after the game and strongly suggest everyone does. Hoge and Carm pulled no punches in their criticisms and the "honeymoon being over" with this regime. Specifically the references to HITS, the Bears social media activity, the weird obsession with "their guys" and "scheme fits", and what they described as a general air in TC and PS of overconfidence bordering on arrogance.
Cracks are emerging already.
They called out the entire Bears organization for an attitude that isn't backed up by results in public. I was embarrassed by the examples they gave. They actually called it a "new era" just before getting schooled like a toddler by a team that right now has a less talented roster.
I do agree with that last statement of Eberflus. I'm not defending the guy, the playcalling or anything else. But yes, those guys have to block or those plays can't work. If Claypool doesn't want to play then cut him. Now. He is no good to the team if he plays like yesterday... in fact he hurts the team. Not helps. Hurts.
I agree...but I'll also put that back on the coaches. They talked about this on the CHGO post game...you wanted to run receiver screens all day and you made the best blocking receiver inactive. Thats on the coaches...they made that choice. Make it make sense.
Don't ask guys to do something they aren't good at...for whatever reason. Thats a recipe for failure.
Listened to the same pod and another excellent point they made ^^^.