He is a load. Bears better pull up their "big boy" pants when they play Detroit. Last year the Lions laid over 70 points on us - they had 10 sacks alone. And Hutchinson is legit good... there is a reason why he was drafted the #2 guy in the entire draft last year. His rookie season (last year) he put up bigtime numbers... 53 QB pressures, 11 sacks, 37 hurries, and last night we saw what he can do to a team - a good team.
Bottom line is that Detroit is a good team. They sure owned us last year - and they are a better team this year. Bears need to show they have significantly improved and actually beat the Lions. Beating Green Bay on Sunday would be a nice start.
Last years Bears team was in full tank mode, especially in the 2nd half of the year. They weren't even pretending to be trying to win. The roster has already been turned over by half. This is a vastly different team than what faced Detroit late last season when they were hot and we were tanking.
Since we don't play them again until mid-November I'm not gonna worry about it. Lots of stuff will change between now and then. Getting back to opening day, it looks all but certain that Watson will be out for Green Bay. Doubs may play but won't be 100% even if he does. Rest of Packers WR & TE groups are all rookies, including some UDFA.
BTW, Bears injury report today was CLEAN. Brisker is IN for Sunday.
If Bears can't beat this team at home, worrying about Detroit will be largely academic. No excuse for not winning this game.
PS: Watson now officially out. Doubs questionable.
Hard to imagine they'd rush Doubs back with a hamstring injury until he's fully healed.
The "price paid" for Wright was perfectly fair value. Many, many analysts had Wright as a top-tier tackle in this draft and those guys go top-20 without fail. Several believed him to be the #1 very best. He stoned Will Anderson last year who was the consensus best edge rusher.
Wright will be fine. Not perfect as a rookie of course, but fine. He's gonna be really good in due time.
The price was the opportunity cost of not taking Carter or JSN. In my humble opinion, that will in due time indeed prove to be a very high price. However, that is a well-flogged dead horse between us that I don’t want to debate. anymore.
Tackle is a more premium position than WR or DT... Don't forget how out of shape Carter was at a time when he should have been in the shape of his life... And JSN types can be found in rd 2-3. Starting caliber tackles far more premium.. No GM would agree with ur take.
Last years Bears team was in full tank mode, especially in the 2nd half of the year. They weren't even pretending to be trying to win. The roster has already been turned over by half. This is a vastly different team than what faced Detroit late last season when they were hot and we were tanking.
Since we don't play them again until mid-November I'm not gonna worry about it. Lots of stuff will change between now and then. Getting back to opening day, it looks all but certain that Watson will be out for Green Bay. Doubs may play but won't be 100% even if he does. Rest of Packers WR & TE groups are all rookies, including some UDFA.
BTW, Bears injury report today was CLEAN. Brisker is IN for Sunday.
If Bears can't beat this team at home, worrying about Detroit will be largely academic. No excuse for not winning this game.
PS: Watson now officially out. Doubs questionable.
That's pretty much my point (we'd better be able to beat the Packers). Because the Lions seem to be tougher than Green Bay... that seems to be a shell of its former self. I see this game on Sunday as especially important. First, if we can't beat this year's version of GB then we are pretty weak. The Lions are a good team. Not saying they are some great team. But they are not the Lions of old where you could just chalk them up as 2 wins a season most years. I do respect what they are doing in Detroit. Watching that team perform it is looking like a very solid team overall. Not many weaknesses there. Goff isn't great, but he's "enough" of a QB that a good surrounding team can win with.
The Bears have done a lot since last year ended. My hope is that we see some significant results on Sunday with the better roster. I 100% get it that the team is a work in progress and this is the 2nd year of Poles/Eberflus - and last season was a tank year. But all the same, we SHOULD see some progress now. Then over the course of this season we should see improvement with these very young/new players as they get more game experience in the Bears' schemes.
The NFCN is changing... I'm not sure what to expect as far as the final end of the season rankings for the 4 teams. Could be anything at this point - yes, even the Bears could be Division winners... or heck, in the cellar at #4 or something in between. But Detroit has shown they are a good team. They showed the Bears that last year and now are looking to me as better.
The Lions are tougher than GB.. But I have GB winning this week because I trust them to both pressure the QB and protect their QB better. I expect the packers to dominate the trenches on both sides.
Most Bears-Packers games the last 10+ yrs were Bears with a mediocre-at-best QB and a WR room made up of rejects, rookies, and JAGs. Now it's Green Bay's turn to experience that.
Looks like Watson isn't gonna play so that leaves Doubs, a 2nd yr player, and a bunch of rooks and UDFAs at WR and TE.
That's accurate for this game... But I think moving forward (if watson can stop hurting his legs) GB's pass catchers have an extremely high ceiling.
To edit your quote a bit ... "But I think moving forward GB's pass catchers have an extremely high ceiling."
We can make the same argument about the Bears WR room. And with the physical talents of Claypool, maybe even a higher ceiling.
Here is a link to the RAS comparison between Watson and Claypool. Virtually identical. Watson is slightly faster, but Claypool is bigger, stronger and a better vertical jump. But the biggest difference is Claypool is our #2 WR. So, do you pull your #1 cover corner off JD Moore? What impact/limitation does it put on the opponent's defensive cover plan? Do our TEs and WR3s have a field day if the opponent tries to intensively game plan for both Moore and Claypool?
Again, we're talking potential ceiling. Watson had a good year last year. A much better year than Claypool did. But if you look at Claypool's rookie season, it looks a lot like Watson did last year.
Last years Bears team was in full tank mode, especially in the 2nd half of the year. They weren't even pretending to be trying to win. The roster has already been turned over by half. This is a vastly different team than what faced Detroit late last season when they were hot and we were tanking.
Since we don't play them again until mid-November I'm not gonna worry about it. Lots of stuff will change between now and then. Getting back to opening day, it looks all but certain that Watson will be out for Green Bay. Doubs may play but won't be 100% even if he does. Rest of Packers WR & TE groups are all rookies, including some UDFA.
BTW, Bears injury report today was CLEAN. Brisker is IN for Sunday.
If Bears can't beat this team at home, worrying about Detroit will be largely academic. No excuse for not winning this game.
PS: Watson now officially out. Doubs questionable.
Hard to imagine they'd rush Doubs back with a hamstring injury until he's fully healed.
Bears must win this game. No excuses. Packers also have a bunch of young guys and new faces. We have entered the post-Rodgers era. I have been waiting a long time for this. You are right about Lions. If we can’t even beat the Packers, we’re going to be eaten by Lions.
That's pretty much my point (we'd better be able to beat the Packers). Because the Lions seem to be tougher than Green Bay... that seems to be a shell of its former self. I see this game on Sunday as especially important. First, if we can't beat this year's version of GB then we are pretty weak. The Lions are a good team. Not saying they are some great team. But they are not the Lions of old where you could just chalk them up as 2 wins a season most years. I do respect what they are doing in Detroit. Watching that team perform it is looking like a very solid team overall. Not many weaknesses there. Goff isn't great, but he's "enough" of a QB that a good surrounding team can win with.
The Bears have done a lot since last year ended. My hope is that we see some significant results on Sunday with the better roster. I 100% get it that the team is a work in progress and this is the 2nd year of Poles/Eberflus - and last season was a tank year. But all the same, we SHOULD see some progress now. Then over the course of this season we should see improvement with these very young/new players as they get more game experience in the Bears' schemes.
The NFCN is changing... I'm not sure what to expect as far as the final7 end of the season rankings for the 4 teams. Could be anything at this point - yes, even the Bears could be Division winners... or heck, in the cellar at #4 or something in between. But Detroit has shown they are a good team. They showed the Bears that last year and now are looking to me as better.
The Lions are tougher than GB.. But I have GB winning this week because I trust them to both pressure the QB and protect their QB better. I expect the packers to dominate the trenches on both sides.
The team that wins the line of scrimmage will win the game. If the Bears win at the OL & DL they win the game. If they lose the trench war they lose the game. I think the best case scenario for the Bears is the DL is at least average-good (better than last year), and the OL is run blocking enough that our run game is solid - and the pass blocking is better than last year and allowing Fields to hit some deep vertical stuff in addition to the dink and dunk (and Fields can actually hit those short passes. That's the ceiling. I expect Green Bay to put up around 24 to 27 points in this game. Bears gotta have a big day on offense to win this. Can that be reality? We'll see on Sunday.
That's accurate for this game... But I think moving forward (if watson can stop hurting his legs) GB's pass catchers have an extremely high ceiling.
To edit your quote a bit ... "But I think moving forward GB's pass catchers have an extremely high ceiling."
We can make the same argument about the Bears WR room. And with the physical talents of Claypool, maybe even a higher ceiling.
Here is a link to the RAS comparison between Watson and Claypool. Virtually identical. Watson is slightly faster, but Claypool is bigger, stronger and a better vertical jump. But the biggest difference is Claypool is our #2 WR. So, do you pull your #1 cover corner off JD Moore? What impact/limitation does it put on the opponent's defensive cover plan? Do our TEs and WR3s have a field day if the opponent tries to intensively game plan for both Moore and Claypool?
Again, we're talking potential ceiling. Watson had a good year last year. A much better year than Claypool did. But if you look at Claypool's rookie season, it looks a lot like Watson did last year.
It may come down to which team can give their QB the time to hit those guys on pass plays. Green Bay has a good OL. I am hoping we do too. If our OL can block well then we will see a good game and stack a win. And our DL needs to be a lot better than last year. Especially against the run.
That's accurate for this game... But I think moving forward (if watson can stop hurting his legs) GB's pass catchers have an extremely high ceiling.
To edit your quote a bit ... "But I think moving forward GB's pass catchers have an extremely high ceiling."
We can make the same argument about the Bears WR room. And with the physical talents of Claypool, maybe even a higher ceiling.
Here is a link to the RAS comparison between Watson and Claypool. Virtually identical. Watson is slightly faster, but Claypool is bigger, stronger and a better vertical jump. But the biggest difference is Claypool is our #2 WR. So, do you pull your #1 cover corner off JD Moore? What impact/limitation does it put on the opponent's defensive cover plan? Do our TEs and WR3s have a field day if the opponent tries to intensively game plan for both Moore and Claypool?
Again, we're talking potential ceiling. Watson had a good year last year. A much better year than Claypool did. But if you look at Claypool's rookie season, it looks a lot like Watson did last year.
I'm not a Bears fan so I'll leave it to you folks who watch them on a regular basis. I think if Watson could stay healthy he could be a WR1. Doubs is a fine WR2 and I love the potential with Reed as the slot and Musgrave up the middle.. Rodgers largely ignored the middle of the field the last 8 years and I think there potential for big plays there this season. With that said We'll likely have two first round picks next year and I'd like to see a bona fide WR1 drafted given Watson's injuries. As far as defending the Bears: I'd put Alexander on Moore all day. Alexander can eliminate any receiver in the league. I'd play zone with the rest of the defense or Fields could rush for 150. Problem is our DC is a moron and ur entire offense could look like the second coming of the 99' Rams....
The Lions are tougher than GB.. But I have GB winning this week because I trust them to both pressure the QB and protect their QB better. I expect the packers to dominate the trenches on both sides.
The team that wins the line of scrimmage will win the game. If the Bears win at the OL & DL they win the game. If they lose the trench war they lose the game. I think the best case scenario for the Bears is the DL is at least average-good (better than last year), and the OL is run blocking enough that our run game is solid - and the pass blocking is better than last year and allowing Fields to hit some deep vertical stuff in addition to the dink and dunk (and Fields can actually hit those short passes. That's the ceiling. I expect Green Bay to put up around 24 to 27 points in this game. Bears gotta have a big day on offense to win this. Can that be reality? We'll see on Sunday.
Like I said, other than safety GB is stacked on defense. Joe Barry though could eff this up. We agree on the trenches and I expect it to be close... GB is the youngest team in the league and the Bears aren't far behind... There is sure to be turnovers and untimely penalties(let's both hope it doesn't get ugly). Also Packers have a very erratic rookie kicker than can hit from 65 and then miss an XP...
The team that wins the line of scrimmage will win the game. If the Bears win at the OL & DL they win the game. If they lose the trench war they lose the game. I think the best case scenario for the Bears is the DL is at least average-good (better than last year), and the OL is run blocking enough that our run game is solid - and the pass blocking is better than last year and allowing Fields to hit some deep vertical stuff in addition to the dink and dunk (and Fields can actually hit those short passes. That's the ceiling. I expect Green Bay to put up around 24 to 27 points in this game. Bears gotta have a big day on offense to win this. Can that be reality? We'll see on Sunday.
Like I said, other than safety GB is stacked on defense. Joe Barry though could eff this up. We agree on the trenches and I expect it to be close... GB is the youngest team in the league and the Bears aren't far behind... There is sure to be turnovers and untimely penalties(let's both hope it doesn't get ugly). Also Packers have a very erratic rookie kicker than can hit from 65 and then miss an XP...
I really expect to see a mix of great plays with screwed up plays, turnovers and penalties - from both teams. Even the officiating in these preseason games has looked so very bad (yes worse than normal). For the Bears we have a lot of new players. The starters have played very little together in the preseason games. Injuries have dictated an ever-changing lineup of the #1's. Yeah, I don't expect a thing of beauty tomorrow even if we do win.