I don't get this at all. Apparently they brought Peterman back and he's back in a QB2 battle with Bagent. It just seems kind of weird to cut Peterman and then sign him to the 53 roster for yet another QB2 battle - again. But it sounds like the Bears are going to have the QB2 battle run again over the next week and THEN decide who is the Fields backup. I'd think that THIS close to the game/season beginning, you'd know this already and instead of dinking around with two guys sharing snaps you'd get QB2 ramped up with as many reps as possible. Peterman doesn't need the reps. Not this next week. He is what he is. But for Bagent these reps are PRECIOUS reps. He needs every single one he can get. I wonder if there is some confrontation going on - a sudden disagreement about Bagent being the guy? It just seems mighty weird to me. It's too late in the game to be screwing around with a new QB2 competition. Here is the depth chart as of this afternoon (Thursday) LINK. Notice Bagent is listed in the "Other" column and not in the 2nd or 3rd string column.
LINK What Bears signing Nathan Peterman again means for Tyson Bagent, QB2 battle Is the battle to backup Justin Fields back on?
Here's the Eberflus presser from this afternoon and he talks about how they are going to determine who the QB2 will be as time goes on. He says it's still an open competition between Bagent and the re-signed Peterman.
They just cannot help themselves. If they didn't think the kid had enough in him to do it, then they should have brought in someone better then NP, who they should know most certainly doesn't.
Post by weneedmorelinemen on Aug 31, 2023 22:47:57 GMT -6
If they are going to have the #2 QB spot be open to competition, why not just keep Walker? They already paid him. There is no difference between Peterman and Walker in that they will both lose to anyone other than a bad team.
If they are going to have the #2 QB spot be open to competition, why not just keep Walker? They already paid him. There is no difference between Peterman and Walker in that they will both lose to anyone other than a bad team.
I'm worried sick now. Could Bagent's arms be shrinking now too? Worried sick that the S.A.S. thing is contagious. What if it's now being passed throughout the locker room? We could have 53 alligator arm guys by the Green Bay game.
If they are going to have the #2 QB spot be open to competition, why not just keep Walker? They already paid him. There is no difference between Peterman and Walker in that they will both lose to anyone other than a bad team.
I'm worried sick now. Could Bagent's arms be shrinking now too? Worried sick that the S.A.S. thing is contagious. What if it's now being passed throughout the locker room? We could have 53 alligator arm guys by the Green Bay game.
I have grim news. I have learned that Peterman's arm length is a mere 32", but even worse, Bagent has an arm length of... 30 1/8".
This is why Bagent went undrafted. I would say he is playing like someone with longer arms, but after discovering this bit of info it makes sense why Poles brought back Peterman to compete.
Post by dachuckster on Sept 1, 2023 8:51:11 GMT -6
I watched the presser in real time. I typically open the Bears real-time feed when it is scheduled so it is on my YT history so I can review it later. Once the Bears media folks release the "official" press conference link, you no longer see the real-time one. Not on this video but sometimes the juiciest pieces get edited out.
All the stuff being discussed on this thread was brought out in answer to reporters' questions. All Flus was doing was engaging in classic NFL coach-speak. I can't remember ever seeing a HC or a GM of an NFL team discussion the details for personnel moves. Especially when it gets into a real detailed level.
All the way through this you have to remember that Petermen is a vested NFL player (on an NFL roster or multiple NFL rosters for 4 seasons). As such, he is exempt from the waiver process when being released. This means his contract is immediately voided and he instantly becomes a UFA. This allows teams to do a little dance when playing personnel games when they are at the 53-man limit. So, the Bears cut Petermen, with a verbal agreement that he will be restored to the active roster with the same contract terms in a short number of days. Then the team releases him and then does a lot of release/sign/release/etc stuff. Once the team is done, Peterman is re-signed to an identical or very similar contract. As long as Peterman is re-signed within a certain number of days, he doesn't even miss a paycheck. All the teams do this, all the time.
PJ Walker is not a vested NFL player as he was on Carolina's roster for 2 years before signing with the Bears this year. So, if he was cut, he would be on the waiver wire and his contract would be voided and would be claimed according to the NFL process for this. I'm not saying that there would be a line of GM's salivating at the prospect of signing PJ Walker. Just that there is a real risk of a player released at this time in the season getting picked up by another team (even if just for their practice squad). There is also the fact that Walker really sucked, and they had decided to part ways.
The only reason that Bagent was kept active all the way through this is Poles felt there was a real risk of losing him to another team if they tried putting him on our practice squad.
Here are the NFL rules for this process. Here is a discussion on how NFL teams use it on the Pro Football Network site.
As far as the discussion on why we have Peterman and not somebody else, you need to have someone at this point in time who can step in and perform. So basically, a QB who is very familiar with the West Coast Offense variant that Getsy likes. Unless we get a seasoned old pro QB with some juice left in him, we would be bringing someone without experience in our system up to speed and if that QB had to step in before being up to speed, it would likely be a disaster. The decision then comes down to who will suck less. I'm not saying I like our options. But if we are bringing someone up to speed and hoping we have a backup QB soon who can step in and win a few games for us, I'd rather choose Bagent over the next PJ Walker (or whoever).
As long as Bagent is on the roster I'm happy. Doesn't really matter who is #2 and #3 quite frankly. Brady was actually started as the #3 the year he took over in NE. Belichik skipped the #2 and went with Brady.
If Fields goes down and they need to finish a game I'm ok with Peterman coming in and Bagent having a full week to prepare. If Fields goes down I'm ok with Bagent coming in and having a full week to prepare.
Remember all the debates about having a QB sit a year and learn about NFL OFF and the speed of the game like...Rodgers, Mahomes, etc...? Why wouldn't that apply to Bagent? Sit him all year, give him reps and let him learn before we worry if he's #2 or #3.
If Fields goes down the team is screwed anyway. Start Peterman the rest of the way and get a better draft pick. Start Bagent the rest of the way and let him learn on the job as they get a better draft pick. Win-win either way.
I watched the presser in real time. I typically open the Bears real-time feed when it is scheduled so it is on my YT history so I can review it later. Once the Bears media folks release the "official" press conference link, you no longer see the real-time one. Not on this video but sometimes the juiciest pieces get edited out.
All the stuff being discussed on this thread was brought out in answer to reporters' questions. All Flus was doing was engaging in classic NFL coach-speak. I can't remember ever seeing a HC or a GM of an NFL team discussion the details for personnel moves. Especially when it gets into a real detailed level.
All the way through this you have to remember that Petermen is a vested NFL player (on an NFL roster or multiple NFL rosters for 4 seasons). As such, he is exempt from the waiver process when being released. This means his contract is immediately voided and he instantly becomes a UFA. This allows teams to do a little dance when playing personnel games when they are at the 53-man limit. So, the Bears cut Petermen, with a verbal agreement that he will be restored to the active roster with the same contract terms in a short number of days. Then the team releases him and then does a lot of release/sign/release/etc stuff. Once the team is done, Peterman is re-signed to an identical or very similar contract. As long as Peterman is re-signed within a certain number of days, he doesn't even miss a paycheck. All the teams do this, all the time.
PJ Walker is not a vested NFL player as he was on Carolina's roster for 2 years before signing with the Bears this year. So, if he was cut, he would be on the waiver wire and his contract would be voided and would be claimed according to the NFL process for this. I'm not saying that there would be a line of GM's salivating at the prospect of signing PJ Walker. Just that there is a real risk of a player released at this time in the season getting picked up by another team (even if just for their practice squad). There is also the fact that Walker really sucked, and they had decided to part ways.
The only reason that Bagent was kept active all the way through this is Poles felt there was a real risk of losing him to another team if they tried putting him on our practice squad.
Here are the NFL rules for this process. Here is a discussion on how NFL teams use it on the Pro Football Network site.
As far as the discussion on why we have Peterman and not somebody else, you need to have someone at this point in time who can step in and perform. So basically, a QB who is very familiar with the West Coast Offense variant that Getsy likes. Unless we get a seasoned old pro QB with some juice left in him, we would be bringing someone without experience in our system up to speed and if that QB had to step in before being up to speed, it would likely be a disaster. The decision then comes down to who will suck less. I'm not saying I like our options. But if we are bringing someone up to speed and hoping we have a backup QB soon who can step in and win a few games for us, I'd rather choose Bagent over the next PJ Walker (or whoever).
NE did the samething when they relased Zappe and the rookie QB. They needed to carry guys on the initial 53 so they could IR them and bring them back. They then "re-signed" (wink wink) Zappe and the rookie and added them to the 53 once the injured guys were on IR. Teams play these games all the time.
No one was going to sign Peterman. It was a safe move.
I watched the presser in real time. I typically open the Bears real-time feed when it is scheduled so it is on my YT history so I can review it later. Once the Bears media folks release the "official" press conference link, you no longer see the real-time one. Not on this video but sometimes the juiciest pieces get edited out.
All the stuff being discussed on this thread was brought out in answer to reporters' questions. All Flus was doing was engaging in classic NFL coach-speak. I can't remember ever seeing a HC or a GM of an NFL team discussion the details for personnel moves. Especially when it gets into a real detailed level.
All the way through this you have to remember that Petermen is a vested NFL player (on an NFL roster or multiple NFL rosters for 4 seasons). As such, he is exempt from the waiver process when being released. This means his contract is immediately voided and he instantly becomes a UFA. This allows teams to do a little dance when playing personnel games when they are at the 53-man limit. So, the Bears cut Petermen, with a verbal agreement that he will be restored to the active roster with the same contract terms in a short number of days. Then the team releases him and then does a lot of release/sign/release/etc stuff. Once the team is done, Peterman is re-signed to an identical or very similar contract. As long as Peterman is re-signed within a certain number of days, he doesn't even miss a paycheck. All the teams do this, all the time.
PJ Walker is not a vested NFL player as he was on Carolina's roster for 2 years before signing with the Bears this year. So, if he was cut, he would be on the waiver wire and his contract would be voided and would be claimed according to the NFL process for this. I'm not saying that there would be a line of GM's salivating at the prospect of signing PJ Walker. Just that there is a real risk of a player released at this time in the season getting picked up by another team (even if just for their practice squad). There is also the fact that Walker really sucked, and they had decided to part ways.
The only reason that Bagent was kept active all the way through this is Poles felt there was a real risk of losing him to another team if they tried putting him on our practice squad.
Here are the NFL rules for this process. Here is a discussion on how NFL teams use it on the Pro Football Network site.
As far as the discussion on why we have Peterman and not somebody else, you need to have someone at this point in time who can step in and perform. So basically, a QB who is very familiar with the West Coast Offense variant that Getsy likes. Unless we get a seasoned old pro QB with some juice left in him, we would be bringing someone without experience in our system up to speed and if that QB had to step in before being up to speed, it would likely be a disaster. The decision then comes down to who will suck less. I'm not saying I like our options. But if we are bringing someone up to speed and hoping we have a backup QB soon who can step in and win a few games for us, I'd rather choose Bagent over the next PJ Walker (or whoever).
NE did the samething when they relased Zappe and the rookie QB. They needed to carry guys on the initial 53 so they could IR them and bring them back. They then "re-signed" (wink wink) Zappe and the rookie and added them to the 53 once the injured guys were on IR. Teams play these games all the time.
No one was going to sign Peterman. It was a safe move.
As a UFA, no one can claim him. That's the big difference between vest and unvested. Obviously if he doesn't want to re-sign with the Bears, he doesn't have to.