I hope you’re right. How do you feel about taking Johnston instead of a smaller guy who is a much better route runner such as Boutte, Downs, Dell? I think a great route running slot receiver is more valuable than adding one more tall, fast WR.
”Playmaker” is an amorphous word.
I haven't thought about it, and I probably won't, because I don't think its a highly likely scenario I need to concern myself with.
As for playmaker being amorphous...uh, yeah, which was alluded to in Poles quote "They come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds."
I hope you’re right. How do you feel about taking Johnston instead of a smaller guy who is a much better route runner such as Boutte, Downs, Dell? I think a great route running slot receiver is more valuable than adding one more tall, fast WR.
”Playmaker” is an amorphous word.
I haven't thought about it, and I probably won't, because I don't think its a highly likely scenario I need to concern myself with.
As for playmaker being amorphous...uh, yeah, which was alluded to in Poles quote "They come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds."
Okay butkus, seeing is believing. Everybody who was there, including Getsy, said that Tank Dell could not be covered by any of the DBs. That’s saying a lot, since these were all senior DBs invited to the Senior Bowl.
This video shows him in the 1-1 part of their practice. To me, the mark of a great route runner is one who can win 1-on-1 quickly. Check it out…
I haven't thought about it, and I probably won't, because I don't think its a highly likely scenario I need to concern myself with.
As for playmaker being amorphous...uh, yeah, which was alluded to in Poles quote "They come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds."
Okay butkus, seeing is believing. Everybody who was there, including Getsy, said that Tank Dell could not be covered by any of the DBs. That’s saying a lot, since these were all senior DBs invited to the Senior Bowl.
This video shows him in the 1-1 part of their practice. To me, the mark of a great route runner is one who can win 1-on-1 quickly. Check it out…
I watched Tank play this past season at a home game for Houston. He had a 68 yard TD punt return that night against Tulsa. He also had a 13 yard TD pass reception. He had 9 catches for 161 yards (averaged 17.9 YPC). Houston scored 30 points but still lost the game because their D really blew chunks that night. But Dell is electric to watch. It's not his straight-line speed (although he is a burner), but his quick moves. Just crazy quick changing direction. Even for NFL defenders he'd be hard to cover.
But.
He looked so skinny, and small to me. They list him at 5'10" and 165 pounds. Maybe he is that big. But he looked skinny and tiny out there. Frail compared to the other players. I'm no scout so what do I know? But I just wonder if he'd hold up in the NFL.
Okay butkus, seeing is believing. Everybody who was there, including Getsy, said that Tank Dell could not be covered by any of the DBs. That’s saying a lot, since these were all senior DBs invited to the Senior Bowl.
This video shows him in the 1-1 part of their practice. To me, the mark of a great route runner is one who can win 1-on-1 quickly. Check it out…
I watched Tank play this past season at a home game for Houston. He had a 68 yard TD punt return that night against Tulsa. He also had a 13 yard TD pass reception. He had 9 catches for 161 yards (averaged 17.9 YPC). Houston scored 30 points but still lost the game because their D really blew chunks that night. But Dell is electric to watch. It's not his straight-line speed (although he is a burner), but his quick moves. Just crazy quick changing direction. Even for NFL defenders he'd be hard to cover.
But.
He looked so skinny, and small to me. They list him at 5'10" and 165 pounds. Maybe he is that big. But he looked skinny and tiny out there. Frail compared to the other players. I'm no scout so what do I know? But I just wonder if he'd hold up in the NFL.
I know. Cox said the only negative on him is his size. Hell, all these WRs get injured. Claypool was injured and he’s 240. Mooney was injured. Jones was injured. Pringle was injured. NOT getting injured is more about luck than size. I want a slot receiver precision route runner for Fields. Boutte is still my first choice of guys who will still be on the board in the second round, but I’m OK with Dell or Downs. Tyler Lockett is a good comp for these guys. He’s a phenomenal route runner and 172 pounds. He’s had a long, productive career with the Seahawks. Dell is also a terrific punt returner.
I watched Tank play this past season at a home game for Houston. He had a 68 yard TD punt return that night against Tulsa. He also had a 13 yard TD pass reception. He had 9 catches for 161 yards (averaged 17.9 YPC). Houston scored 30 points but still lost the game because their D really blew chunks that night. But Dell is electric to watch. It's not his straight-line speed (although he is a burner), but his quick moves. Just crazy quick changing direction. Even for NFL defenders he'd be hard to cover.
But.
He looked so skinny, and small to me. They list him at 5'10" and 165 pounds. Maybe he is that big. But he looked skinny and tiny out there. Frail compared to the other players. I'm no scout so what do I know? But I just wonder if he'd hold up in the NFL.
I know. Cox said the only negative on him is his size. Hell, all these WRs get injured. Claypool was injured and he’s 240. Mooney was injured. Jones was injured. Pringle was injured. NOT getting injured is more about luck than size. I want a slot receiver precision route runner for Fields. Boutte is still my first choice of guys who will still be on the board in the second round, but I’m OK with Dell or Downs. Tyler Lockett is a good comp for these guys. He’s a phenomenal route runner and 172 pounds. He’s had a long, productive career with the Seahawks. Dell is also a terrific punt returner.
You're right about that and I agree. Any player can get injured. Punt returner durability in particular would seem to be interesting for a guy that tiny (165 pound guy... and he doesn't look that big). The only other thing that stood out to me that night watching him, was that he looked so tiny among the other players on the field. Lost among the trees, type of thing. I would think it would be a bit tricky getting the ball to a guy that tiny - at the NFL level. In college, against a team like Tulsa, he could easily get a LOT of separation. He won't be that open in the NFL. LOL, no way that happens. Again, he is listed as 165 pounds and 5'10" but he sure looked smaller than that to me (and I have seen his size listed recently as 5'8 and 163lbs). His little arms and legs looked like pipe-cleaner size... like skinny twigs :-)
How high of a draft pick would you be comfortable spending on him?
From his draft scouting report: "Main concern scouts will have with Dell is his limited size - he's just 5-9 and 163 lbs and looks frail. If he can hold up playing against much bigger DBs is a big question mark. When corners play press and manage to get hold of Dell he can be taken out of the game and easily outmuscled. Has predictably got short arms and overall wingspan resulting in his catch radius being tiny. He’ll be coming to the NFL from a wide-open spread offense in which Dell ran a limited route tree."
I know. Cox said the only negative on him is his size. Hell, all these WRs get injured. Claypool was injured and he’s 240. Mooney was injured. Jones was injured. Pringle was injured. NOT getting injured is more about luck than size. I want a slot receiver precision route runner for Fields. Boutte is still my first choice of guys who will still be on the board in the second round, but I’m OK with Dell or Downs. Tyler Lockett is a good comp for these guys. He’s a phenomenal route runner and 172 pounds. He’s had a long, productive career with the Seahawks. Dell is also a terrific punt returner.
You're right about that and I agree. Any player can get injured. Punt returner durability in particular would seem to be interesting for a guy that tiny (165 pound guy... and he doesn't look that big). The only other thing that stood out to me that night watching him, was that he looked so tiny among the other players on the field. Lost among the trees, type of thing. I would think it would be a bit tricky getting the ball to a guy that tiny - at the NFL level. In college, against a team like Tulsa, he could easily get a LOT of separation. He won't be that open in the NFL. LOL, no way that happens. Again, he is listed as 165 pounds and 5'10" but he sure looked smaller than that to me (and I have seen his size listed recently as 5'8 and 163lbs). His little arms and legs looked like pipe-cleaner size... like skinny twigs :-)
How high of a draft pick would you be comfortable spending on him?
From his draft scouting report: "Main concern scouts will have with Dell is his limited size - he's just 5-9 and 163 lbs and looks frail. If he can hold up playing against much bigger DBs is a big question mark. When corners play press and manage to get hold of Dell he can be taken out of the game and easily outmuscled. Has predictably got short arms and overall wingspan resulting in his catch radius being tiny. He’ll be coming to the NFL from a wide-open spread offense in which Dell ran a limited route tree."
They will weigh him at the NFL combine. If he can come in above 170, that would help. DeSean Jackson is another guy who played at 175.
If he’s coming in at 160’s, I can’t see him getting drafted before 4th round. In that case, you get him hooked up with a dietitian and a weight trainer to add 10 pounds.
Okay butkus, seeing is believing. Everybody who was there, including Getsy, said that Tank Dell could not be covered by any of the DBs. That’s saying a lot, since these were all senior DBs invited to the Senior Bowl.
This video shows him in the 1-1 part of their practice. To me, the mark of a great route runner is one who can win 1-on-1 quickly. Check it out…
I watched Tank play this past season at a home game for Houston. He had a 68 yard TD punt return that night against Tulsa. He also had a 13 yard TD pass reception. He had 9 catches for 161 yards (averaged 17.9 YPC). Houston scored 30 points but still lost the game because their D really blew chunks that night. But Dell is electric to watch. It's not his straight-line speed (although he is a burner), but his quick moves. Just crazy quick changing direction. Even for NFL defenders he'd be hard to cover.
But.
He looked so skinny, and small to me. They list him at 5'10" and 165 pounds. Maybe he is that big. But he looked skinny and tiny out there. Frail compared to the other players. I'm no scout so what do I know? But I just wonder if he'd hold up in the NFL.
I see a guy like that and I think Johnny Knox. I do NOT want to see that happen again. this guy is 2" shorter and 20 lbs lighter than Johnny was. I would be reluctant to draft a guy that small.
I haven't thought about it, and I probably won't, because I don't think its a highly likely scenario I need to concern myself with.
As for playmaker being amorphous...uh, yeah, which was alluded to in Poles quote "They come in all shapes, sizes, and speeds."
Okay butkus, seeing is believing. Everybody who was there, including Getsy, said that Tank Dell could not be covered by any of the DBs. That’s saying a lot, since these were all senior DBs invited to the Senior Bowl.
This video shows him in the 1-1 part of their practice. To me, the mark of a great route runner is one who can win 1-on-1 quickly. Check it out…
I'm familiar with Tank. He's training down at a facility in Florida who's trainers I know and they do a PHENOMENAL job with speed and change of direction stuff. Truth be told, winning 1 on 1's isn't all that tough though. DB's are always at a disadvantage, especially since the majority of them will be very rarely ever be asked to be 1 on 1 with a receiver. No team plays strictly man, and most DB's have help somewhere. If I know where I'm going and you don't I should win 9 times out of 10. 1 on 1's are great for showing a players ability to accelerate and decelerate and change direction, can they stack moves, etc...but a lot of it does not take place in a realistic setting.
Really what we should be focused on is how players do against zone coverage, because that is what they are going to be facing most of the time. Can they influence DB's and get open against zone. Thats the coverage they are going to face about 70% of the time.
I know. Cox said the only negative on him is his size. Hell, all these WRs get injured. Claypool was injured and he’s 240. Mooney was injured. Jones was injured. Pringle was injured. NOT getting injured is more about luck than size. I want a slot receiver precision route runner for Fields. Boutte is still my first choice of guys who will still be on the board in the second round, but I’m OK with Dell or Downs. Tyler Lockett is a good comp for these guys. He’s a phenomenal route runner and 172 pounds. He’s had a long, productive career with the Seahawks. Dell is also a terrific punt returner.
You're right about that and I agree. Any player can get injured. Punt returner durability in particular would seem to be interesting for a guy that tiny (165 pound guy... and he doesn't look that big). The only other thing that stood out to me that night watching him, was that he looked so tiny among the other players on the field. Lost among the trees, type of thing. I would think it would be a bit tricky getting the ball to a guy that tiny - at the NFL level. In college, against a team like Tulsa, he could easily get a LOT of separation. He won't be that open in the NFL. LOL, no way that happens. Again, he is listed as 165 pounds and 5'10" but he sure looked smaller than that to me (and I have seen his size listed recently as 5'8 and 163lbs). His little arms and legs looked like pipe-cleaner size... like skinny twigs :-)
How high of a draft pick would you be comfortable spending on him?
From his draft scouting report: "Main concern scouts will have with Dell is his limited size - he's just 5-9 and 163 lbs and looks frail. If he can hold up playing against much bigger DBs is a big question mark. When corners play press and manage to get hold of Dell he can be taken out of the game and easily outmuscled. Has predictably got short arms and overall wingspan resulting in his catch radius being tiny. He’ll be coming to the NFL from a wide-open spread offense in which Dell ran a limited route tree."
Wan'Dale Robinson measured in at 5'8'' at the combine. He was having a pretty good year before he got hurt, but ACL's don't care about your height or weight...they're equal opportunity injuries.
Okay butkus, seeing is believing. Everybody who was there, including Getsy, said that Tank Dell could not be covered by any of the DBs. That’s saying a lot, since these were all senior DBs invited to the Senior Bowl.
This video shows him in the 1-1 part of their practice. To me, the mark of a great route runner is one who can win 1-on-1 quickly. Check it out…
I'm familiar with Tank. He's training down at a facility in Florida who's trainers I know and they do a PHENOMENAL job with speed and change of direction stuff. Truth be told, winning 1 on 1's isn't all that tough though. DB's are always at a disadvantage, especially since the majority of them will be very rarely ever be asked to be 1 on 1 with a receiver. No team plays strictly man, and most DB's have help somewhere. If I know where I'm going and you don't I should win 9 times out of 10. 1 on 1's are great for showing a players ability to accelerate and decelerate and change direction, can they stack moves, etc...but a lot of it does not take place in a realistic setting.
Really what we should be focused on is how players do against zone coverage, because that is what they are going to be facing most of the time. Can they influence DB's and get open against zone. Thats the coverage they are going to face about 70% of the time.y
Beating zone has a lot to do with the WR’s football IQ and his chemistry with his QB. I can’t tell much about that from Dell’s videos. Part of being a great route runner is exploiting the weaknesses in the zone defense. From what Getsy said at the Senior Bowl, I think he will give Poles a positive report on Dell’s route running ability.