Another scouting report from Greg Gabriel here. In summary:
Lacks Carter's huge possible upside ("lower ceiling"?) but has greater college production and a higher floor (higher motor, less fitness concerns). Far less hype and visibility as a prospect at this early pre-draft stage.
David, I bring this up to demonstrate that there are other good DE and DT candidates out there in this draft so don't slit your wrists if Poles trades past #4 or Seattle drafts Carter like you say.
To square this with the possible Indy trade, I'd say right now Poles needs to target an offensive player from Indy (Nelson or Pittman) and take a defensive player in round 1. Outside of QBs, this draft seems light on 1st round O talent and no way Poles can go D twice with these two high-profile acquisitions. He'd get skewered in the press and probably with good reason.
Not sure draft is that light in first round O talent. Top 10 may be light but 4 or 5 OTs, 1 TE, 4 or 5 WRs, couple OG 3 QBs is roughly half the first round. Definitely light on the top though.
That's what I meant, thanks. Should have been more clear on that. Not a lot of top-end non-QB talent on offense it seems this year.
It's time for the biggest trade down haul we've ever seen.
The Bears will probably have to lease some buses to haul 'em all to Halas Hall from O'Hare... for that matter I hope O'Hare can handle the incoming masses of draftees. This is all based upon my highly scientific extrapolation from making multiple massive trade-downs on the draft sim game :-)
It's time for the biggest trade down haul we've ever seen.
The Bears will probably have to lease some buses to haul 'em all to Halas Hall from O'Hare... for that matter I hope O'Hare can handle the incoming masses of draftees. This is all based upon my highly scientific extrapolation from making multiple massive trade-downs on the draft sim game :-)
LOL This is the throw a ton of sh*t against the wall and see how much of it sticks. Poles tried that this year, and we see the results. There’s a reason why the sacred chart values those 3-5 round picks so much lower than 1-2 rounds. If you want “top-tier” players, don’t trade away those top-tier draft spots, playing for luck in the lower rounds.
The Bears will probably have to lease some buses to haul 'em all to Halas Hall from O'Hare... for that matter I hope O'Hare can handle the incoming masses of draftees. This is all based upon my highly scientific extrapolation from making multiple massive trade-downs on the draft sim game :-)
LOL This is the throw a ton of sh*t against the wall and see how much of it sticks. Poles tried that this year, and we see the results. There’s a reason why the sacred chart values those 3-5 round picks so much lower than 1-2 rounds. If you want “top-tier” players, don’t trade away those top-tier draft spots, playing for luck in the lower rounds.
+1 I don't want to trade down too far and lose too much value in this draft. Personally I do like maximizing the first 90 picks or so of the draft for high quality players. Obviously, the higher picks in that range should harvest better prospects. But anyone drafted in that range should be a good starter if the GM, scouts and coaches get it right. My hope is that they have a high batting average in that range. Misses will happen but you want those to be minimal.
Post by butkus3595 on Jan 19, 2023 20:44:59 GMT -6
If the Colts want Levis and trade up to 1 for him...that could create another trade down scenario if the Cardinals take Anderson or Carter and Young or Stroud are there at 4. HOOOOOO BOY!!! Bring it on!
If the Colts want Levis and trade up to 1 for him...that could create another trade down scenario if the Cardinals take Anderson or Carter and Young or Stroud are there at 4. HOOOOOO BOY!!! Bring it on!
Not likely. Texans will take one at #2. Cards might sell the other one, leaving the Bears with either Anderson or Carter at #4.
Funny post on Seahawks forum today: “If Texans draft Levis, they should draft a punter with their second pick.” I can’t believe how fast Levis is jumping over Young and Stroud. I swear, he looks like the second-coming of Trubisky to me.
If the Colts want Levis and trade up to 1 for him...that could create another trade down scenario if the Cardinals take Anderson or Carter and Young or Stroud are there at 4. HOOOOOO BOY!!! Bring it on!
Not likely. Texans will take one at #2. Cards might sell the other one, leaving the Bears with either Anderson or Carter at #4.
Funny post on Seahawks forum today: “If Texans draft Levis, they should draft a punter with their second pick.” I can’t believe how fast Levis is jumping over Young and Stroud. I swear, he looks like the second-coming of Trubisky to me.
A) Wouldn't that be a dream scenario? I'll take Anderson there. I know you prefer Carter. But still...
B) Don't know yet the order these QBs are gonna end up in but doesn't surprise me at all to hear rumors of Levis moving up. I think they all will end up going in the top-10, just not sure yet where. QBs get over-drafted all the time. Trubisky went #2 for crying out loud. Nothing new here.
I could write you a long list of crap QBs who were drafted in the high 1st round.
Not likely. Texans will take one at #2. Cards might sell the other one, leaving the Bears with either Anderson or Carter at #4.
Funny post on Seahawks forum today: “If Texans draft Levis, they should draft a punter with their second pick.” I can’t believe how fast Levis is jumping over Young and Stroud. I swear, he looks like the second-coming of Trubisky to me.
A) Wouldn't that be a dream scenario? I'll take Anderson there. I know you prefer Carter. But still...
B) Don't know yet the order these QBs are gonna end up in but doesn't surprise me at all to hear rumors of Levis moving up. I think they all will end up going in the top-10, just not sure yet where. QBs get over-drafted all the time. Trubisky went #2 for crying out loud. Nothing new here.
I could write you a long list of crap QBs who were drafted in the high 1st round.
The 1st round pick by the Bears of Cade McNown was one of the worst. Drafted in 1999. Gone after the next season. Out of football entirely two years after that. He was a #12 pick of the first round. JaMarcus Russell was the worst though. Raiders took him 1st overall in the draft in 2007 and after the 2009 season he was out of football entirely.
A) Wouldn't that be a dream scenario? I'll take Anderson there. I know you prefer Carter. But still...
B) Don't know yet the order these QBs are gonna end up in but doesn't surprise me at all to hear rumors of Levis moving up. I think they all will end up going in the top-10, just not sure yet where. QBs get over-drafted all the time. Trubisky went #2 for crying out loud. Nothing new here.
I could write you a long list of crap QBs who were drafted in the high 1st round.
The 1st round pick by the Bears of Cade McNown was one of the worst. Drafted in 1999. Gone after the next season. Out of football entirely two years after that. He was a #12 pick of the first round. JaMarcus Russell was the worst though. Raiders took him 1st overall in the draft in 2007 and after the 2009 season he was out of football entirely.
Mitch Trubisky Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Carson Wentz Marcus Mariota Zach Wilson Jameis Winston Jared Goff Sam Bradford
That's just a off the top of my head list of QBs drafted top-10 in the last decade or so who didn't become the players they were hoped to be. It's no surprise that this years prospects will get drafted high too. Even if they end up sucking.
The 1st round pick by the Bears of Cade McNown was one of the worst. Drafted in 1999. Gone after the next season. Out of football entirely two years after that. He was a #12 pick of the first round. JaMarcus Russell was the worst though. Raiders took him 1st overall in the draft in 2007 and after the 2009 season he was out of football entirely.
Mitch Trubisky Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Carson Wentz Marcus Mariota Zach Wilson Jameis Winston Jared Goff Sam Bradford
That's just a off the top of my head list of QBs drafted top-10 in the last decade or so who didn't become the players they were hoped to be. It's no surprise that this years prospects will get drafted high too. Even if they end up sucking.
Wentz really stands out b/c the team spent a ton to build around him from the get go; and it took his backup to get through the playoffs and win a SB; and they still chose Wentz, who they later sent packing.