I want to remind everyone, no one, outside of those in the huddle, the HC, and the OC actually know what the play is and who is and who isn't a target. We know their are plays in the NFL where not all WR's are options so it doesn't matter that they are open, the QB doesn't have the option to throw to them, and shouldn't even be looking that way.
I want to remind everyone, no one, outside of those in the huddle, the HC, and the OC actually know what the play is and who is and who isn't a target. We know their are plays in the NFL where not all WR's are options so it doesn't matter that they are open, the QB doesn't have the option to throw to them, and shouldn't even be looking that way.
BigBen said this a few years ago after A.Brown complained about being always open. I can't find that interview any more but he said a few other things as well. Some plays go first read and then throw it away. Some plays go first read, second read, back to first, throw it away. Some plays have 5 reads (especially if the players are stacked short/med/long on a sideline or crossing routes.) My favorite comment he said was: sometimes there are no reads because the WRs run the wrong #&%# routes.
I want to remind everyone, no one, outside of those in the huddle, the HC, and the OC actually know what the play is and who is and who isn't a target. We know their are plays in the NFL where not all WR's are options so it doesn't matter that they are open, the QB doesn't have the option to throw to them, and shouldn't even be looking that way.
BigBen said this a few years ago after A.Brown complained about being always open. I can't find that interview any more but he said a few other things as well. Some plays go first read and then throw it away. Some plays go first read, second read, back to first, throw it away. Some plays have 5 reads (especially if the players are stacked short/med/long on a sideline or crossing routes.) My favorite comment he said was: sometimes there are no reads because the WRs run the wrong #&%# routes.
Ya, It was pointed out by the previous coaching regime that Miller was often open, but not in the right place at the right time; it's going to make him look like the QB should get him, but in fact the QB won't be looking in that spot.
Culter made the same type of statement a long while ago. It's just reality. We hear the commentators often state there are 1 or 2 read plays, or 1/2 field plays, and we seem to think it's only for some qb's, or only for some situations, but in reality this is just football, and we won't ever really know one from another.
BigBen said this a few years ago after A.Brown complained about being always open. I can't find that interview any more but he said a few other things as well. Some plays go first read and then throw it away. Some plays go first read, second read, back to first, throw it away. Some plays have 5 reads (especially if the players are stacked short/med/long on a sideline or crossing routes.) My favorite comment he said was: sometimes there are no reads because the WRs run the wrong #&%# routes.
Ya, It was pointed out by the previous coaching regime that Miller was often open, but not in the right place at the right time; it's going to make him look like the QB should get him, but in fact the QB won't be looking in that spot.
Culter made the same type of statement a long while ago. It's just reality. We hear the commentators often state there are 1 or 2 read plays, or 1/2 field plays, and we seem to think it's only for some qb's, or only for some situations, but in reality this is just football, and we won't ever really know one from another.
And some QBs are exceptions. Randy Moss told a story about a practice session where he was running a route designed to pull a safety his way and he was not a read on the play. He got hit in the head with the ball. When he got back to the huddle, Brady cursed him out saying "When I'm QBing everyone is a read! Turn your $&^(@ head around!" Moss went on to say that often players who were not listed as reads on a play got the ball because Brady processed the field so quickly he could see instantly that his first reads were not open and were not going to get open so he's find the other guys running decoy patterns to see if they were open. Moss commented that Brady was the only QB he ever knew who could do that.
Manning would chew out rookies for not being where they were supposed to be. We think the QB is back there watching the WR runs, but he's not. Montana said with the three step drop he was looking at a different spot every time his feet touched the ground. That was the timing in the OFF. So three reads and throw when you reached the back of the drop. He was not looking for WRs, he was looking at spots on the field. If there wasn't a defender in the spot he threw the ball knowing that Rice or Clark would be in that spot when the ball arrived. I've seen clips from all-22 showing Montana throwing the ball before the WR even cut or turned around.
Ya, It was pointed out by the previous coaching regime that Miller was often open, but not in the right place at the right time; it's going to make him look like the QB should get him, but in fact the QB won't be looking in that spot.
Culter made the same type of statement a long while ago. It's just reality. We hear the commentators often state there are 1 or 2 read plays, or 1/2 field plays, and we seem to think it's only for some qb's, or only for some situations, but in reality this is just football, and we won't ever really know one from another.
And some QBs are exceptions. Randy Moss told a story about a practice session where he was running a route designed to pull a safety his way and he was not a read on the play. He got hit in the head with the ball. When he got back to the huddle, Brady cursed him out saying "When I'm QBing everyone is a read! Turn your $&^(@ head around!" Moss went on to say that often players who were not listed as reads on a play got the ball because Brady processed the field so quickly he could see instantly that his first reads were not open and were not going to get open so he's find the other guys running decoy patterns to see if they were open. Moss commented that Brady was the only QB he ever knew who could do that.
Manning would chew out rookies for not being where they were supposed to be. We think the QB is back there watching the WR runs, but he's not. Montana said with the three step drop he was looking at a different spot every time his feet touched the ground. That was the timing in the OFF. So three reads and throw when you reached the back of the drop. He was not looking for WRs, he was looking at spots on the field. If there wasn't a defender in the spot he threw the ball knowing that Rice or Clark would be in that spot when the ball arrived. I've seen clips from all-22 showing Montana throwing the ball before the WR even cut or turned around.
Well I think we can always see exceptions to the rules.
Brady is that exception, same w/Manning.
I think Montana is what ever HC wants, trust in the system, trust in your WR's. Then again isn't it easy to trust your WR's when they are Rice and Clark?
I enjoyed this analysis of the all 22 video of the Packers game…
I wish he did an analysis of the play where Pettis was open on the goal line, but no such luck. I do not know what play was called in the huddle, but I have a pretty damn good guess where it was going based on the fact that Fields had his eyes glued on the right side of the end zone.
I can also count to four! They had 4 defensive backs covering 3 Bears over there, and 2 defensive backs covering Mooney and Pettis in single coverage on the other side. He talks about the QBs responsibility to “read the coverage”. Did Fields fail to read the coverage, or did the Packers just have the play anticipated and flowed all their coverage over to that side? Hell, I don’t know, but I wish he had talked about it instead of some other pass plays.
Second, I now will withdraw my vote for Kyler Gordon getting the deflated football. They did target him all night for 163 yards (and zero attempts against Jaylon Johnson). Cox says Gordon did have a bad game, but not as bad as it looks on paper.
Heres one by Da German Bear. Not as long and it focuses soley on offense.
I think the encouraging thing for me when I watch this, is that there is a lot that can (and I think will) be cleaned up as the season goes on. What we see is a very very young - newly assembled roster, with a new offense scheme (totally new blocking scheme too) and new coaches. The team was nuked and is being rebuilt from the ground up. It is reasonable to expect the rough play we saw at Green Bay against a veteran team that is a Super Bowl contender with a very good defense.
I expect Getsy will be a decent OC for us. I also believe some of these young/new players on O will be pretty decent too. But the entire team needs this entire season to get it together I think. Then in 2023 the team should get a major upgrade of talent. Especially on offense. It's too early for fans to be jumping off the ledge after only 2 games against very solid opponents. I'm shocked that we are even 1-1 at this point. The sky isn't falling.
Heres one by Da German Bear. Not as long and it focuses soley on offense.
First off, welcome to the forum!
This is a good video. I will be looking for his future game film reviews.
Regarding the Pettis missed TD, I think Fields should have figured this out pre-snap that he had single cover on Pettis over there and that the corner was laying back. Fields could have just taken two steps back and BANG it in there as soon as Pettis makes his cut. Yeah, the blocking was poor, but he had time to execute a quick hitter to Pettis if he made the pre-snap read instead of never looking to his left.
The other really bad play was the one where EQ was wide open deep for an easy TD, but Fields somehow doesn’t see him. As the German Bear says, Justin had a very clean pocket, so no blaming the OL for that one.
So, those were two TDs that didn’t happen, and most of the blame goes to Fields for not seeing guys who are open.
Overall, it is clear from this analysis that he is just not seeing the open receivers and throwing to a spot before they break open, especially for Mooney. He holds the damn ball too long! That was a problem last season, and it continues.
I am hoping the OL will look better after they get Mustipher out of there. That play where Kenny Clark just tosses him into Patrick was so pitiful — had to laugh.