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Nov 27, 2016 15:59:55 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

I'd upgrade LT and slide Leno over to RT. I do however agree that OL is down on the list of needs.

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Wasn't Leno a disaster at rt?

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Nov 27, 2016 20:19:20 GMT -6 smokingjay said:

Nov 27, 2016 15:59:55 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

I'd upgrade LT and slide Leno over to RT. I do however agree that OL is down on the list of needs.

I'd go:

QB
S/CB (x3)
DE
TE
LT

Wasn't Leno a disaster at rt?

Leno plays much better as LT.

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Post by riczaj01 on Nov 27, 2016 20:54:24 GMT -6

Nov 27, 2016 15:59:55 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

I'd upgrade LT and slide Leno over to RT. I do however agree that OL is down on the list of needs.

I'd go:

QB
S/CB (x3)
DE
TE
LT

Leno was a complete fail at RT though, at best he could be a backup LT and maybe LG. his right side is pretty brutal.

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Post by brasilbear on Nov 27, 2016 20:55:42 GMT -6

Nov 27, 2016 20:19:20 GMT -6 smokingjay said:

Nov 27, 2016 15:59:55 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

I'd upgrade LT and slide Leno over to RT. I do however agree that OL is down on the list of needs.

I'd go:

QB
S/CB (x3)
DE
TE
LT

Wasn't Leno a disaster at rt?

Totally forgot about that....man I'm getting old.

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Post by JABF on Nov 27, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -6

If you think the OL is "fixed" then re-watch last week's game. Yes, the OL was decent today. But it has struggled in games this year too. And if you think it is all Cutler's fault, just go back and re-watch the games if you have them recorded. The OL is better this year. It still needs attention.

Matt Barkley had a decent day too. Is our QB position "fixed" now? Of course not.

From week to week we seem to go from one extreme to another. After the Vikings win we were talking positive about Cutler. The next game we were ready to kill him. Last game we were in the depths of despair over the OL. Today we are talking about the OL being "the least of our problems"...

Maybe we should evaluate every unit at the end of the season, and with some sanity just see where we are truly at.

Football Outsiders (LINK) has the OL as being decent. They have the OL as 13th in run-blocking, and 18th in pass-protection. That's certainly better than in past years. But I'd like to see us continue to give it some attention, especially the tackles.

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Post by shark86 on Nov 27, 2016 21:16:11 GMT -6

Nov 27, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -6 JABF said:

If you think the OL is "fixed" then re-watch last week's game. Yes, the OL was decent today. But it has struggled in games this year too. And if you think it is all Cutler's fault, just go back and re-watch the games if you have them recorded. The OL is better this year. It still needs attention.

Matt Barkley had a decent day too. Is our QB position "fixed" now? Of course not.

From week to week we seem to go from one extreme to another. After the Vikings win we were talking positive about Cutler. The next game we were ready to kill him. Last game we were in the depths of despair over the OL. Today we are talking about the OL being "the least of our problems"...

Maybe we should evaluate every unit at the end of the season, and with some sanity just see where we are truly at.

Football Outsiders (LINK) has the OL as being decent. They have the OL as 13th in run-blocking, and 18th in pass-protection. That's certainly better than in past years. But I'd like to see us continue to give it some attention, especially the tackles.

Yup. Both tackles need an upgrade, Leno maybe some titanium rod inserts, but Massie needs a full body replacement. Maybe keep Leno for depth, I'm not sure he's starter material. Cut Adams.

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Post by riczaj01 on Nov 27, 2016 21:20:10 GMT -6

Nov 27, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -6 JABF said:

If you think the OL is "fixed" then re-watch last week's game. Yes, the OL was decent today. But it has struggled in games this year too. And if you think it is all Cutler's fault, just go back and re-watch the games if you have them recorded. The OL is better this year. It still needs attention.

Matt Barkley had a decent day too. Is our QB position "fixed" now? Of course not.

From week to week we seem to go from one extreme to another. After the Vikings win we were talking positive about Cutler. The next game we were ready to kill him. Last game we were in the depths of despair over the OL. Today we are talking about the OL being "the least of our problems"...

Maybe we should evaluate every unit at the end of the season, and with some sanity just see where we are truly at.

Football Outsiders (LINK) has the OL as being decent. They have the OL as 13th in run-blocking, and 18th in pass-protection. That's certainly better than in past years. But I'd like to see us continue to give it some attention, especially the tackles.

Right now, the last 2 weeks, were w/3 backsups replacing their starters, 2 of which were pro bowl OG's.

Ya they struggled at times this year, specifically early on as they were getting used to eachother; AND When Cutler is in. When they AREN'T trying to block for Cutler, and as they year has gone on they are far better.

I definitely think those grades would be better w/out Cutler and w/them being healthy for most the year.

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Nov 27, 2016 21:16:11 GMT -6 shark86 said:

Nov 27, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -6 JABF said:

If you think the OL is "fixed" then re-watch last week's game. Yes, the OL was decent today. But it has struggled in games this year too. And if you think it is all Cutler's fault, just go back and re-watch the games if you have them recorded. The OL is better this year. It still needs attention.

Matt Barkley had a decent day too. Is our QB position "fixed" now? Of course not.

From week to week we seem to go from one extreme to another. After the Vikings win we were talking positive about Cutler. The next game we were ready to kill him. Last game we were in the depths of despair over the OL. Today we are talking about the OL being "the least of our problems"...

Maybe we should evaluate every unit at the end of the season, and with some sanity just see where we are truly at.

Football Outsiders (LINK) has the OL as being decent. They have the OL as 13th in run-blocking, and 18th in pass-protection. That's certainly better than in past years. But I'd like to see us continue to give it some attention, especially the tackles.

Yup. Both tackles need an upgrade, Leno maybe some titanium rod inserts, but Massie needs a full body replacement. Maybe keep Leno for depth, I'm not sure he's starter material. Cut Adams.

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Leno is probably good enough to get by for now. But I would hope the Bears would keep an eye open for an upgrade there. If we only get 1 offensive lineman next year I'd hope we could at least upgrade the RT. It is not that tough to draft a decent RT. Or maybe we could find a solid one in free agency.

I understand we have other needs. But I would never stop trying to have a rock-solid DL and OL. I'd have zero problem if the Bears drafted one man for each unit every single draft. I'm not saying we have to do like Dallas on the OL and have all 1st round players there. But give the D and O lines some love and the team will benefit. Including that new young QB we will bring in at some point. Give him a good line to work behind.

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Nov 27, 2016 21:20:10 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Nov 27, 2016 21:04:38 GMT -6 JABF said:

If you think the OL is "fixed" then re-watch last week's game. Yes, the OL was decent today. But it has struggled in games this year too. And if you think it is all Cutler's fault, just go back and re-watch the games if you have them recorded. The OL is better this year. It still needs attention.

Matt Barkley had a decent day too. Is our QB position "fixed" now? Of course not.

From week to week we seem to go from one extreme to another. After the Vikings win we were talking positive about Cutler. The next game we were ready to kill him. Last game we were in the depths of despair over the OL. Today we are talking about the OL being "the least of our problems"...

Maybe we should evaluate every unit at the end of the season, and with some sanity just see where we are truly at.

Football Outsiders (LINK) has the OL as being decent. They have the OL as 13th in run-blocking, and 18th in pass-protection. That's certainly better than in past years. But I'd like to see us continue to give it some attention, especially the tackles.

Right now, the last 2 weeks, were w/3 backsups replacing their starters, 2 of which were pro bowl OG's.

Ya they struggled at times this year, specifically early on as they were getting used to eachother; AND When Cutler is in. When they AREN'T trying to block for Cutler, and as they year has gone on they are far better.

I definitely think those grades would be better w/out Cutler and w/them being healthy for most the year.

Seriously, watch last week's game. That was not all on Cutler. That was not just an early in the year, game. It was one week ago. We were all crapping our pants over the OL woes one week ago. Now. One decent OL game and we're giddy.

LOL. Seriously.

I do think the OL is better. Especially the interior OL guys are solid. I agree with you 100% that Cutty is part of the sack woes. Part. But the OL is not "fixed" IMHO. Yes, it is better. My hope is that we bring in a solid T this off season, at the very least. It could be a FA or in the draft, but the OL needs to continue to get love. Hopefully, we have learned something from our past. Let's give that new young QB that arrives soon, a real solid OL.

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Nov 27, 2016 16:03:44 GMT -6 MartianBearsFan said:

I also gotta give the Bears credit for not quitting. I remember the Bears under Trestman they quit. Yes, they played, but once they were behind they quit. Under Fox, they show up to play like there is no tomorrow.

With all the critiques of Fox , there's 1 thing that feels different from Tresty and thats effort and more of a feeling that we've been more 'in' games . Sure his 'record' after two years is worse , but it feels like we've been at least more respectable on the scoreboard / more satisfactory as far as ' the eye test' goes . Better execution , a few less drops , a few less untimely fumbles or int's , a few less penalties , here and there , and we might have a better overall record .

I'm not saying he doesn't need to go , maybe he does , but I'm not on the inside at Halas Hall ... so I don't know if he's really grinding really trying his hardest to help his team win , or if he's just putting up his best phony face to make it seem like he cares while making sure he keeps picking up that paycheck .

So if he's 'lost it' or if he's mailing- it- in ( covertly ) , I suspect they'll sniff it out and replace him ; but if they feel like he truly cares and is putting everything he's got into this team and with just a little more patience they will turn the corner then they'll keep him .

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