There been at least one post with significant support from others about just how easy it would be to simply draft another QB who turns the ball over less than Cutler. At least that's one issue Ric and I have debated at length. So is it really or is that just one more slanted viewpoint based 100% upon emotion instead of fact?
You be the judge;
Quarterback Marcus Mariota is accountable for 12 of the Titans' 13 turnovers this season with five of those returned by the opposition for touchdowns. Eight interceptions and four fumbles lost. Sacks = 18.
Said Titans coach Mike Mularkey: "A number of our losses have been because of ball security. … Turnovers are going to get you beat. But with turnovers for touchdowns, it's almost a given you're going to get beat."
Cutler has 7 turnovers with just one of those returned for a touchdown. Five interceptions and two fumbles lost. Sacks = 17.
So he's turned the ball over 5 times less than the guy many would have liked to have seen us trade up for in the 2015 draft and Cutler has also been the cause of 4 less touchdowns as a result of those turnovers while getting sacked approximately the same number of times. I listed that since in almost all cases a fumble by a QB comes as the result of a sack.
You know it's real easy to think we have it so bad and that the solution is so simple when in reality once you begin to look beyond your nose maybe it's not so bad as it seems nor as easy to be assured of fixing a perceived problem with a top draft pick after all. Is it?
I would love to have Mariotta as our QB. He has a passer rating over 100 this season, while Cutler's is in the 70's. Cutler has 235 career ints & fumbles. Many of them in critical situations that cost us games. Mariotta will have a very high ceiling during his career. Jay is old and on his way down. He hasn't completed a season since 2009 too. I'd take a young Mariotta in a heartbeat over Cutler. Wouldn't you?
Well you keep using your stats lacking perceptions so I have to fill in the blanks for you. First I prove that Cutler's pick ratio is actually pretty average. Equal to that many HOF QBs and better than any other Bears starter since who knows when......like forever.
You never want to look outside the window of your own team and Cutler but if you did you'd find a whole lot of other QBs struggling with the same thing. Eli should have cost his team a shot at a TD and eventually a FG but Amos drops a pass right in his hands.
Should we check the Giants forum to see if they're looking to replace him? Like I've said I really do hope Pace trades so if we hop right back on that old QB carousel we were on for nearly 30 years maybe some will pay a little closer attention to fact than fiction.
I'm curious how we were supposed to draft Mariota at all. We would've had to give up half our draft or more to move up and get him.
It was never gonna happen but a whole lot of people jumped on those rumors we were trying to trade them Cutler for their pick. It was never more than pure nonsense.
The only reason I posted this was Ric made a post claiming that it would be very easy to replace Cutler with a rookie QB who didn't turn the ball over so often. So I posted a list of current and past NFL QBs ranked by interception percentage. Cutler's 3.3% is right in there with a lot of HOF QBs and better than any other starter we've had including McMahon. So the facts don't jive with his perception or those who agree with it.
I posted Mariota's stats on turnovers just to prove that the best QB drafted of late is having even more issue with turnovers and those leading to opponent scores than Cutler by a long shot. My point being a new QB won't necessarily solve a "perceived problem" that really isn't as big a problem as many believe it is. Saying "same old Cutler" could also be said then about a dozen or more HOF QBs and Super Bowl winners.
I would love to have Mariotta as our QB. He has a passer rating over 100 this season, while Cutler's is in the 70's. Cutler has 235 career ints & fumbles. Many of them in critical situations that cost us games. Mariotta will have a very high ceiling during his career. Jay is old and on his way down. He hasn't completed a season since 2009 too. I'd take a young Mariotta in a heartbeat over Cutler. Wouldn't you?
You've missed the point too. If it was so easy to draft a QB just to prevent the turnovers Ric and others think will be resolved that easily then Mariota's struggles with the same thing would tend to prove that to be untrue right? Is my writing style that incomprehensible? Ric won't even respond because the FACTS have proven him wrong.
If you had seen the post I made back to Ric showing that Cutler's interception percentage of 3.3% is in the same ballpark or better than about a dozen HOF QBs and Super Bowl winners including guys like; Aikman, Elway, Favre, Marino, Moon, Warner, Eli Manning, Gabriel, Culpepper, Simms, Esiason, Kelly, Staubach, and others.
It's also better than any other starter we've had including McMahon. So while some go off saying he's the worst there is and ever was he's really in the top 1/3 of all those guys, about 200 of them. Could we do better? Sure Could we also do worse? Yeah, because obviously we have. That was the point I was making so why is that so hard to get?
Forget about that keyhole of 2016 your looking at when comparing QBRs and look at the points each has cost their team via turnovers which led to losses. We didn't lose at TB because of one pick six but the Titans have lost several games because of it. Read!
Said Titans coach Mike Mularkey: "A number of our losses have been because of ball security. … Turnovers are going to get you beat. But with turnovers for touchdowns, it's almost a given you're going to get beat."
Quarterback Marcus Mariota is accountable for 12 of the Titans' 13 turnovers this season with five of those returned by the opposition for touchdowns.
Twelve of thirteen total are on Mariota and five cost them scores by an opponent and games. So no matter how well he may be doing otherwise he's losing more games for them than Cutler is due his turnovers. That's the only point I made in my original post so let's keep it focused on topic. That's what I compared in order to say a rookie QB isn't necessarily the whole answer to a turnover problem. We don't have Mariota and never would have but we do have Cutler and what the FACTS point out is that he's not anymore prone to turnovers than a lot of other QBs who've played on far better teams. I'm not out to save Cutler's job. I hope he is traded. I'm simply trying to correct the idiocy that's attached itself to him with all this bs that he turns the ball over that much more than many other very good and great QBs have done.
It's a myth the media loves to sell this "Bad Jay" shit and fans eat it up because Cutler isn't popular but the facts don't substantiate it. THAT is what I'm showing you all. So if you think that just getting rid of Cutler is gonna resolve that turnover problem that you and Ric and probably a dozen or more here are latching onto here I'm showing you that you may not be right. You can either accept the facts or deny them. I don't care, but if the next guy does the same or worse you all can deal with it yourselves. I'm gonna be deaf to it. That miracle you're all looking for may be a long time coming.
Well you keep using your stats lacking perceptions so I have to fill in the blanks for you. First I prove that Cutler's pick ratio is actually pretty average. Equal to that many HOF QBs and better than any other Bears starter since who knows when......like forever.
You never want to look outside the window of your own team and Cutler but if you did you'd find a whole lot of other QBs struggling with the same thing. Eli should have cost his team a shot at a TD and eventually a FG but Amos drops a pass right in his hands.
Should we check the Giants forum to see if they're looking to replace him? Like I've said I really do hope Pace trades so if we hop right back on that old QB carousel we were on for nearly 30 years maybe some will pay a little closer attention to fact than fiction.
You're comparing a guy in his 2nd year to a 10 year vet. See the difference?
I posted Mariota's stats on turnovers just to prove that the best QB drafted of late is having even more issue with turnovers and those leading to opponent scores than Cutler by a long shot. My point being a new QB won't necessarily solve a "perceived problem" that really isn't as big a problem as many believe it is. Saying "same old Cutler" could also be said then about a dozen or more HOF QBs and Super Bowl winners.
There is hope for a young QB like Mariotta who is still young and learning his craft. Any young QB we draft will go through a learning curve also. But Cutler isn't leaning anything at this point. He is what he is. He definitely has good points. He definitely has bad points.
I don't expect it to be easy to draft a QB. But I also don't believe it is some horrible impossible task either. This is the gig in the NFL. You have to identify and acquire talent. Once you get a youngster you need to develop whatever raw talent that kid brings to the table. The new guy, at best, will make many mistakes. The hope is that he will learn from them and become better with time. If not, then you draft another youngster and try with him.
The Bears can't keep Jay Cutler forever. Like him or hate him, the post-Cutler era is coming.