Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick

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Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 0:42:30 GMT -6

Post by zif on Nov 23, 2016 0:42:30 GMT -6

Personally I take either the ranked 1 QB, Allen or Garret depending on who is available. Either our defense will get a massive boost, Allen and Garret and stud playmakers. You say we are locked up at OLB? Well Garret you dont pass on and you can never have too many passrushers. McPhee is plagued by injuries. Houston is probably bye bye with two ACL injuries. Which leaves us with Young and Floyd as our only reiable OLB's. Gimme Garret and we have a sick young unit.

Allen will make the front 7 complete. One high quality DE in Allen and an average to above average in Hicks and Goldman at NT. Our front 7 is going to be nasty.

QB speaks for itself.

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Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 1:10:28 GMT -6

Post by germansbombedph on Nov 23, 2016 1:10:28 GMT -6

If we end up with a Top3 pick, I want the best Player available.
I think this will be between Allen, Garrett and Fournette. If Pace is sold on Peppers, he might take him. I'd fix the QB with our 2nd round pick. If we feel like our guy will be in the #25-#35 range we trade up to make sure to get him.
Watson or Kizer might make it to that range. I don't like Trubinsky in the Top3 as of now but its still plenty of time left.

I like Luke Falk the same way I always wanted Ryan Nassib. Not sure if this is good for Falk

If Pace identifies Trubisky as his guy, he should do everything to get him. Simple as that.

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Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 1:53:10 GMT -6

Post by dachuckster on Nov 23, 2016 1:53:10 GMT -6

Nov 22, 2016 15:54:52 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Kizer isn't lasting until the 2nd round; save this sheet, until a week before the draft so we can watch how much it changes.

btw if the Bears decide to take a qb that isn't rated as high as one of those DE's, then you can only put blame on them for not trying to get a young qb in here over the last decade, specifically the last 2-3 years; more specifically last year when they had 3 shots at a guy in the 4th round that was a potential 2nd-3rd rounder; all for def guys that aren't playing much...but there have been other chances at the qb that they passed on and they might end up regretting later.

A lot of other teams passed on Prescott as well. IMO Dak landed in the perfect place to start his career as a QB. A veteran team with a stellar OL, a RB who may develop into the #1 or #2 RB in the NFL and solid receivers.

I am a fan of Prescott as a QB and liked him going into the draft a lot. But putting any inexperienced QB behind our current OL could easily be a disaster for the QBs long term development.
I am not trying to argue against taking a QB early in next years draft. Just that we have lots of work to do with our OL and getting a top prospect at QB may not work out as positively as we would hope.

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tbear1 Backup Posts: 89 Likes: 140	Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 4:41:47 GMT -6 Post by tbear1 on Nov 23, 2016 4:41:47 GMT -6 Nov 22, 2016 17:37:41 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said: Pace trades the #2 pick for 10 6th round picks. Unfortunately, this scenario is most likely already on his draft board next to trading up for a punter... Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top

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Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 5:41:05 GMT -6

Post by riczaj01 on Nov 23, 2016 5:41:05 GMT -6

Nov 23, 2016 1:53:10 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

Nov 22, 2016 15:54:52 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Kizer isn't lasting until the 2nd round; save this sheet, until a week before the draft so we can watch how much it changes.

btw if the Bears decide to take a qb that isn't rated as high as one of those DE's, then you can only put blame on them for not trying to get a young qb in here over the last decade, specifically the last 2-3 years; more specifically last year when they had 3 shots at a guy in the 4th round that was a potential 2nd-3rd rounder; all for def guys that aren't playing much...but there have been other chances at the qb that they passed on and they might end up regretting later.

A lot of other teams passed on Prescott as well. IMO Dak landed in the perfect place to start his career as a QB. A veteran team with a stellar OL, a RB who may develop into the #1 or #2 RB in the NFL and solid receivers.

I am a fan of Prescott as a QB and liked him going into the draft a lot. But putting any inexperienced QB behind our current OL could easily be a disaster for the QBs long term development.
I am not trying to argue against taking a QB early in next years draft. Just that we have lots of work to do with our OL and getting a top prospect at QB may not work out as positively as we would hope.

That OL in Dal is great and is helping, but don't do that to Dak. All reports were the kid spent all offseason prepping himself to transition into an NFL QB from a college QB, he worked on his footwork and throwing motion; and it's showing.

Again we've all seen QB's that had all the time in the world not be able to hit the broad side of a barn. That OL isn't making him accurate or making the correct choices for him; they help limit the rush to stop him from having to make hurried choices but what he is doing is stunning. IF it was just the OL Romo would be starting when healthy.

Would he be a MVP/pro bowl candidate in Chicago, no, but he'd be better then Hoyer and Cutler b/c the guy worked his ass off to get where he is.

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Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 6:12:54 GMT -6 riczaj01 and butkus3595 like this

Post by brasilbear on Nov 23, 2016 6:12:54 GMT -6

Yeah I don't understand the knocking down of Dak and EE because they play in Dallas. Plenty of QBs and RBs have played behind good OLs and haven't done well. Like ric mentioned, the vision, the speed/burst, the decision making, the accuracy, the leadership..all of these are independent of the OL. EE would have better stats here in Chicago than Howard does. Howard has gotten some huge holes to run through, lets not pretend that Howard is doing it all on his own. But some of those runs where Howard gets dragged down from behind, EE takes to the bank. EE is just better, no fault in that, its not knocking Howard.

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Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0 Likes:	Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 7:03:00 GMT -6 via mobile Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 7:03:00 GMT -6 Would it be possible to trade down and grab a CB with the first pick a nd Trubisky with a late 1st? Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top

Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0 Likes:	Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 7:04:15 GMT -6 via mobile Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 7:04:15 GMT -6 Our 3rd pick for like a middle and late first? Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top

riczaj01 Administrator Posts: 11,460 Likes: 10,242	Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 7:04:33 GMT -6 Post by riczaj01 on Nov 23, 2016 7:04:33 GMT -6 Nov 23, 2016 7:03:00 GMT -6 malagabears said: Would it be possible to trade down and grab a CB with the first pick a nd Trubisky with a late 1st? No. Trubisky and Kizer are going to be gone in the top 10, probably the top 5. Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top

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Draft strategy with a top-3 draft pick Nov 23, 2016 7:07:34 GMT -6 riczaj01 likes this

Post by JABF on Nov 23, 2016 7:07:34 GMT -6

I don't believe that you have to have a great OL (like Dallas) in order for a QB and a team to succeed in the NFL. But I do believe the OL sets the ceiling for success that a team can attain. My point is that there is a base-level of talent you do need in your OL. I do believe we need an upgrade at RT, and a bit better depth (our dropoff in talent from the starters is just too steep). I'm not talking about having GREAT talent as backups, but surely we can have something better than what we have.

I do agree with the posters who say we need to work on the OL. I'm not saying we need a bunch of 1st round draft picks there like Dallas. But just have better than Massie - and have better depth than guys like Adams. Is that too much to hope for?

One other point. This is not rocket science, what Dallas has done. Or any of the other good NFL teams. This is NFL 101 stuff. I guess part of the problem is our past draft woes (we did draft 2 first round OL guys who failed... so Angelo did try). Emery tried a first round pick with Shea McClellin at DE, but failed. Kyle Long was a great pick though in the 1st round.

Leno may "get us by" as a fringe LT talent. Nothing great, but maybe he can get us by until we can spend a #1 pick on a LT. And yes, you pretty much need to pony-up a 1st round pick for that LT position... yes there are exceptions, and yes, the other OL positions can be found outside of the 1st round. But great LT's are pretty special. Like franchise QB's and DE's, IMHO.

We almost need 2 first round picks this year. That won't happen. So we are probably looking at the 2018 draft now to fill our grocery list of playmakers.

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