Like any profession have to try to succeed rather then stick w/what hasn't.
Yep, which is why I'd cut/trade Cutler as soon as the season was over.
I guess I still don't understand. Why is trying to succeed mutually exclusive to keeping a security blanket? You know.... like in the unlikely event that just like the last 10 times we got a QB, he was no good.
Yep, which is why I'd cut/trade Cutler as soon as the season was over.
I guess I still don't understand. Why is trying to succeed mutually exclusive to keeping a security blanket? You know.... like in the unlikely event that just like the last 10 times we got a QB, he was no good.
This is just my opinion so its worth....nothing. Just how I see things. Here is my reasoning:
(1) Cutler is done in Chicago. The fans are done with him, and I think Fox is done with him. Pace I don't know about but I think Pace wants to move on. (2) Bears are going to draft a QB as a future starter. (3) If Fox is here next year, Cutler won't be. Fox already has indicated that Hoyer is his preferred vet backup. (4) Cutler is either going to ask for his release or to be traded because he won't want to sit behind a rookie. And Pace is going to want to give his draft pick every chance in the world to start. If the rookie isn't ready Fox would prefer Hoyer to start the season.
With Hoyer the Bears already have the vet QB they think they need. The RBbC will be back, White/Meredith/Wilson will be the starting 3 WRs. Miller/Brown will be at TE and the OL will be set with Leno-Long-Whitehair-Sitton-Rookie/FA. Hoyer will be the caretaker until the rookie is deemed ready by Fox or is pushed into the starting lineup by Pace. In the FO's mind, the OFF only needs a low risk QB to run it. The DEF will restock with draft picks (I'm thinking OFF gets 2nd/3rd round, DEF in 1st, and BPA in the rest. BPA could be WR (to replace Jeffery), TE, Safety, CB, DE/DT) and FA (look for a DE and a safety).
I guess I still don't understand. Why is trying to succeed mutually exclusive to keeping a security blanket? You know.... like in the unlikely event that just like the last 10 times we got a QB, he was no good.
This is just my opinion so its worth....nothing. Just how I see things. Here is my reasoning:
(1) Cutler is done in Chicago. The fans are done with him, and I think Fox is done with him. Pace I don't know about but I think Pace wants to move on. (2) Bears are going to draft a QB as a future starter. (3) If Fox is here next year, Cutler won't be. Fox already has indicated that Hoyer is his preferred vet backup. (4) Cutler is either going to ask for his release or to be traded because he won't want to sit behind a rookie. And Pace is going to want to give his draft pick every chance in the world to start. If the rookie isn't ready Fox would prefer Hoyer to start the season.
With Hoyer the Bears already have the vet QB they think they need. The RBbC will be back, White/Meredith/Wilson will be the starting 3 WRs. Miller/Brown will be at TE and the OL will be set with Leno-Long-Whitehair-Sitton-Rookie/FA. Hoyer will be the caretaker until the rookie is deemed ready by Fox or is pushed into the starting lineup by Pace. In the FO's mind, the OFF only needs a low risk QB to run it. The DEF will restock with draft picks (I'm thinking OFF gets 2nd/3rd round, DEF in 1st, and BPA in the rest. BPA could be WR (to replace Jeffery), TE, Safety, CB, DE/DT) and FA (look for a DE and a safety).
So what's Cutler's role?
I actually agree with all of that. However.... we still own his contract and if we wanted to keep him as a backup we could. Not saying we would or that the dynamics would work, but if the coaches could make it work, for me, it is still the preferred road.
This is just my opinion so its worth....nothing. Just how I see things. Here is my reasoning:
(1) Cutler is done in Chicago. The fans are done with him, and I think Fox is done with him. Pace I don't know about but I think Pace wants to move on. (2) Bears are going to draft a QB as a future starter. (3) If Fox is here next year, Cutler won't be. Fox already has indicated that Hoyer is his preferred vet backup. (4) Cutler is either going to ask for his release or to be traded because he won't want to sit behind a rookie. And Pace is going to want to give his draft pick every chance in the world to start. If the rookie isn't ready Fox would prefer Hoyer to start the season.
With Hoyer the Bears already have the vet QB they think they need. The RBbC will be back, White/Meredith/Wilson will be the starting 3 WRs. Miller/Brown will be at TE and the OL will be set with Leno-Long-Whitehair-Sitton-Rookie/FA. Hoyer will be the caretaker until the rookie is deemed ready by Fox or is pushed into the starting lineup by Pace. In the FO's mind, the OFF only needs a low risk QB to run it. The DEF will restock with draft picks (I'm thinking OFF gets 2nd/3rd round, DEF in 1st, and BPA in the rest. BPA could be WR (to replace Jeffery), TE, Safety, CB, DE/DT) and FA (look for a DE and a safety).
So what's Cutler's role?
I actually agree with all of that. However.... we still own his contract and if we wanted to keep him as a backup we could. Not saying we would or that the dynamics would work, but if the coaches could make it work, for me, it is still the preferred road.
And like I said if your view happened I wouldn't be surprised. We are all guessing at this point.
I actually agree with all of that. However.... we still own his contract and if we wanted to keep him as a backup we could. Not saying we would or that the dynamics would work, but if the coaches could make it work, for me, it is still the preferred road.
And like I said if your view happened I wouldn't be surprised. We are all guessing at this point.
That means the Giants could be the last game of the Jay Cutler era.
As much as I think its going to be harder next year with a rookie QB running the show, I'm more than a little relieved. I also understand soul's argument that they shouldn't move on from Cutler until they have the replacement. But I also have to factor in the getting better argument. If you believe you can do better than Cutler you have to move on from him. Cut the chord and get moving. I'm NOT one of those guys who thinks its easy to find a starting QB (I don't believe in drafting a QB later than day 2, and UDFA's never work out--Romo/Warner prove the rule since they are the ONLY ONES you can name out of the more than 300 UDFA that are draft eligible every year.) But if you don't try, you are stuck with what isn't working.
Oh I'm already convinced it's gonna happen and it's probably a better deal for Jay than for us. Get him to a team with some decent receivers and protection and the haters will be skulking and pissing and moaning that he never did that here all he did was pout.
But first things first. Fox has to go. You don't get to do even worse than your predecessor, act like an arrogant ass, refuse to accept any blame for it yourself, AND get to keep your job. Not unless Pace and GMcC have balls the size of bird shot.
Hire a new HC and let him decide how best to deal with Cutler. There's no rush trading him. He may be recovering from surgery anyway so be patient and try to work the best trade you can. Personally I think releasing him is dumb but if I consider the source that would be par for the course with that bunch.
But for God's sake get Fox out of there as soon as the season ends and go coach shopping before he does anymore harm.
This isn't a professional football team any more. Even a bad one. It's become a carnival freak show.
It's like the football gods are just toying with us now.
2-14 is coming and maybe even the 1st overall pick if Cleveland can find a way to win a couple games. I don't see us beating San Fran or anyone else now.
At this point it won't be difficult to match cutlers performances w/a high potential college qb; not a 3rd or later qb mind you. But any of the top QB's in the draft shouldn't have a real issue matching a QB that in 139 games has 146 int's and 88 fumbles(234 turn overs), ya 217 td's but neither are enough, and you definitely cannot have a qb that is more likely to turn the ball over as he is score.
If the next qb in the next 4 years merely has more TD's then TO's he'll have done better then Cutler, that is quite honestly the lowest bar you can set.
I'd call that strictly a matter of personal opinion wouldn't you? It's even a bit of a stretch considering our last two 1st round QBs didn't even come close and there have been a whole lot more drafted higher than the 3rd round over the past decade who wouldn't come close either.
I'm consistently amazed at how often you post stuff like this as if replacing Cutler with better is no more than a given if only we just draft someone, anyone. Just a walk in the park on a sunny huh? I'd call our past history of drafting QBs more like a blizzard in April. So it's not that easy Ric. It never is and it never has been but your magical thinking keeps you posting like it will be........but it won't.
So you think bettering Cutler's interception percentage is gonna be a breeze huh. Do a little research brother. As NFL QBs go it's actually quite average and he's surrounded by some good company. Take a look. He's actually in the top 1/3 on an historical basis.
* HOF QBs, #Likely HOF QBs, Lots of SB winners in here too.
Cutler; 3.3%
Aikman; 3.0% * Elway; 3.1% * Marino; 3.0% * Warner; 3.1% # Favre; 3.3%* Culpepper; 3.4% (passed on drafting him) Simms; 3.4% Moon; 3.4% * Kramer; 3.4% (our own QB) McMahon; 3.5% (another of our own) Esiason; 3.5% Andreson; 3.6% Staubach; 3.7% * Kelly; 3.7% * Plummer; 3.7% Sanchez; 3.7% Krieg; 3.7% (had this guy too) Theismann; 3.8% Grossman; 3.8% (yeah just pick one 1st and he'll do better) Jaworksi; 4.0% Testaverde; 4.0% Dilfer; 4.1% Tarkenton; 4.2% * Fouts; 4.3% * Starr; 4.4% *
Guys like Archie Manning and Johnny U are nearly 5% and Bob Griese is 5% and Sid Luckman is 7.6% which is more than double Cutler. HOF'ers everyone. Should I keep going?
OK, here a couple more of ours just to show you it isn't the lock you keep saying it is and that Cutler's interception % is actually below most every other QB we've had for over 30 years.
Campbell; 2.4% (the only one 'til he got to Chicago, then it was 3.9%) must be the wind huh?
Fumbles come from sacks. I can't ever recall him just laying a ball on the ground. If you want your QB (any QB) to fumble less then protect him better. I don't have the time do a fumbles vs sacks of NFL QB tonight but I'd be willing to bet you Cutlers sack rate and his fumbles will correlate as will many other QBs so I wouldn't bet me if I were you because you know I'm correct.
But as far as his pick go there ya have it. Among his peers he's somewhat average but among former Bears he's king. Better or no worse than all of them. So would you tell all of us again how bad he is and just how easy it's gonna be to replace him with one simple draft pick or even two or three since ALL of our others and signed FAs have as high or a higher interception percentage?
How long you say you've been watching these guy? Is your memory OK? Bump your head of have a bad fall recently? Just askin' outta concern ya' know. LOL
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