Right or wrong, Pace probably didn't draft a QB cause he had JC, had many holes too. Why draft one just to still have JC on the books. Once JC is gone, get one and have him for 5 years before having to resign him as to 3 years of play. Just a thought
no. he had a starter and signed an experienced back up fringe starter. he brought in developmental guys like Shaw and had Fales on the roster. how many qbs should you have on the roster in preseason. how many snaps do you need to see from back ups and prospects to gain meaningful info and how many snaps does a presumptive starter need so your O is ready to go week 1.
I figure we can't change the past. I'm not even interested in assigning blame for the past failures. But I am very interested in where the team goes from here.
1. Yes, it'sis not easy drafting solid talent in the NFL. 2. Yes, this especially true for the QB position. 3. Yes, you need to be able to draft with the big boys if you want a championship Bears team.
That's the gig here in the NFL. No one said this was going to be easy. Gotta be able to draft/acquire the talent (players and coaches) to field a championship team. If Pace can't get it done, then he should be done at some point. This is all about winning. Not whining.
You are either a winner, or a loser. Right now we continue to put a loser-team on the field. Don't expect fans to feel sorry for the poor GM much longer if things don't at least begin to change for the better by next season. All I know is that we had an unsatisfactory situation with a 10-win Lovie season and he was fired. Deservedly so. But we've gone 19-29 since then. I'm not thrilled with our 2 win season so far. And I'm sure not feeling too sorry for Ryan Pace right now.
Gotta be willing to draft a qb high more often then not to hit on them. The Bears have drafted 9 QB's in the first round since 1939. That's 1x every 8-9 years approx, same # happens since McMahon happened, draft one ever 8-9 years on average. What happened since 2003? It's been 13 years since the Bears took one, that's why outside the norm and way to long. How can you get a good one when you aren't trying?
+1,000 to that one Ric. The heck of it is, that if we do draft a QB high and whiff on him, I'd actually be better with that move than just sitting on our ass not even trying. I watch some of these other franchises that do draft QB's like the Patriots. They could sit back and think, "hey, we have Tom Brady, why on earth draft a youngster?). Instead they have drafted 8 quarterbacks since Tom Brady was drafted by them. That Jimmy Garoppolo looks legit to me. Heck, even their 3rd round rookie, Jacoby Brissett looks solid. LOL, they had a 4-time Pro Bowl QB Drew Bledsoe, and they STILL drafted Tom Brady anyway. That's being proactive. Dallas drafts Dak Prescott in the 4th round this year, even though they have an extended contract for their franchise QB Tony Romo for the next few years.
Us?
We seem to be scared and frightened to aggressively pursue a youngster in the draft for the post-Cutler era. I figure if you don't have the balls to go after guys in the draft, then you shouldn't even own an NFL team. Yes, it is hard to draft solid players in the NFL. But that's the gig. Deal with it.
I figure we can't change the past. I'm not even interested in assigning blame for the past failures. But I am very interested in where the team goes from here.
1. Yes, it'sis not easy drafting solid talent in the NFL. 2. Yes, this especially true for the QB position. 3. Yes, you need to be able to draft with the big boys if you want a championship Bears team.
That's the gig here in the NFL. No one said this was going to be easy. Gotta be able to draft/acquire the talent (players and coaches) to field a championship team. If Pace can't get it done, then he should be done at some point. This is all about winning. Not whining.
You are either a winner, or a loser. Right now we continue to put a loser-team on the field. Don't expect fans to feel sorry for the poor GM much longer if things don't at least begin to change for the better by next season. All I know is that we had an unsatisfactory situation with a 10-win Lovie season and he was fired. Deservedly so. But we've gone 19-29 since then. I'm not thrilled with our 2 win season so far. And I'm sure not feeling too sorry for Ryan Pace right now.
Gotta be willing to draft a qb high more often then not to hit on them. The Bears have drafted 9 QB's in the first round since 1939. That's 1x every 8-9 years approx, same # happens since McMahon happened, draft one ever 8-9 years on average. What happened since 2003? It's been 13 years since the Bears took one, that's why outside the norm and way to long. How can you get a good one when you aren't trying?
Yeah, here I agree with you 100% although how high is still open to debate with me. But to claim Cutler's contract or anything else having to do with him caused that.....no I don't agree with that.
The real issue to look at relative to this Ric is that the Bears haven't spent all that many draft picks on QBs since the '50s period and those they have drafted have had very poor success rates. The list of those vet's we've traded for isn't tiny and those we've traded away who have become successful elsewhere is notable too.
We're talking about a team here who has mostly sucked at evaluating, drafting, and developing their own QBs so even if we do begin drafting them by the half dozen someone is still gonna have to convince me the outcome will be dramatically different this time than it has been. Even Mac would not have won a SB without Payton and that defense and arguably he's the very best we've drafted since Luckman unless you do count the ones Halas traded away.
Once again we're back in the same old boat. We bitch about who we have without any assurance of doing better so all it ends up being is change for the sake of change but the result are the same. Like him or not Cutler has still been better than any other QB we've had for at least 30 years.
The Chicago Bears 2016 season is in a complete nosedive, and many fans are finally making peace with the fact that Jay Cutler won’t likely be in a Bears uniform beyond 2016. The Bears can cut him lose with a minimal cap hit, and can turn their attention to the future.
They have three options from what to do next:
Draft a quarterback Sign a free agent Make a trade
Quarterback prospects in the 2017 Draft are few, and we all know that’s a crap shoot anyways. While the Bears won’t likely be looking at the college ranks for their next franchise quarterback, they would need to look around the league at current pros.
Typically, teams don’t trade away high performers, but there are a few interesting options that could materialize. However, for the purposes of this discussion, we want to take a look at unrestricted free agent options for 2017.
From Spotrac:
Kirk Cousins WAS Ryan Fitzpatrick NYJ Case Keenum LA Shaun Hill MIN Matt Schaub ATL Matt McGloin OAK E.J. Manuel BUF Blaine Gabbert SF Matt Cassel TEN Mark Sanchez DAL Brian Hoyer CHI Geno Smith NYJ Austin Davis DEN Kellen Clemens SD Dan Orlovsky DET Josh Johnson NYG Ryan Mallett BAL Christian Ponder SF Mike Glennon TB Thaddeus Lewis SF Kellen Moore DAL Ryan Nassib NYG Landry Jones PIT
We know Brian Hoyer won’t be the guy that Chicago would sign to be the starter, but they will likely look to re-sign him as a backup. He did as well as could be expected from a backup quarterback, and exceeded all expectations. Of course, his limitations were exposed, but he’s as good of a backup as the Bears will find in the league.
The next step is to look at the list and see if there are any long-term answers. If the Bears don’t think that one of these guys are their future franchise quarterback, then they will either sign one of them for a temporary tour of duty (one, maybe two seasons), or look to pull off a significant trade within the league.
Of the three options available, we’re not seeing any plain-sight plays that the Bears will/should make.
BS he had it covered . How many other teams have had to deal with season enders like a broken leg and a broken arm ? Besides , Shaw wouldn't have even played if he hadn't gotten injured cuz Cutty was ready to come back just when Hoyer broke his arm .
What this season probably HAS clarified is that Pace needs to draft the QB of the future ( if not next season ) this draft . And maybe , if we're lucky , he'll hit on someone , and it will be the silver lining to come out of this season .
Your assumption is that Shaw won't have beaten out Hoyer or that Fox wouldn't have started Shaw over the returning Cutler or that Fox wouldn't have benched Cutler after his last game. Way to many IF's
And I disagree with your statement that Pace needs to draft a QB, and maybe if Shaw can't come back from his injury, Pace will need to draft a QB but if Shaw can't return then Pace and Fox might just have their QB
BS he had it covered . How many other teams have had to deal with season enders like a broken leg and a broken arm ? Besides , Shaw wouldn't have even played if he hadn't gotten injured cuz Cutty was ready to come back just when Hoyer broke his arm .
What this season probably HAS clarified is that Pace needs to draft the QB of the future ( if not next season ) this draft . And maybe , if we're lucky , he'll hit on someone , and it will be the silver lining to come out of this season .
Your assumption is that Shaw won't have beaten out Hoyer or that Fox wouldn't have started Shaw over the returning Cutler or that Fox wouldn't have benched Cutler after his last game. Way to many IF's
And I disagree with your statement that Pace needs to draft a QB, and maybe if Shaw can't come back from his injury, Pace will need to draft a QB but if Shaw can't return then Pace and Fox might just have their QB
Shaw is the Break Glass In Case of Emergency guy . Someone who might surprise a little at first and pull off a win or two ... till the league figures him out and he comes back to the pack . Don't get me wrong , I love the guts and the hustle and the determination , but that only lasts so long . Ya keep him cuz he might keep you afloat a couple few games , but I don't see long term starter . The arm ain't strong enough and he'll get injured cuz he's smallish . Gotta draft a QB in rd 1 or 2 .
Gimme even one QB on this list whose a better QB than Cutler. Just one. It would be laughable to think a swap of Cutler for any one of them would be an upgrade if I didn't think somehow they'll try to convince themselves it'll work. Between Emery and Fox they have cooked this team goose but good.
Kirk Cousins WAS Ryan Fitzpatrick NYJ Case Keenum LA Shaun Hill MIN Matt Schaub ATL Matt McGloin OAK E.J. Manuel BUF Blaine Gabbert SF Matt Cassel TEN Mark Sanchez DAL Brian Hoyer CHI Geno Smith NYJ Austin Davis DEN Kellen Clemens SD Dan Orlovsky DET Josh Johnson NYG Ryan Mallett BAL Christian Ponder SF Mike Glennon TB Thaddeus Lewis SF Kellen Moore DAL Ryan Nassib NYG Landry Jones PIT
I would like to know the last time that the Bears drafted a QB that was good.
Define "good". If by that you mean one who actually won some games for us I'd say Mac around 1982. Jim Harbaugh who was drafted in the 1st round in 1987 played his best football for Indy after he left the Bears. That's about it unless you want to toss in Rex and Orton as being "good" instead of not hopelessly shitty.
We do not do well drafting QBs and it's not just being unlucky. It's partially being unskilled at evaluating them and beyond lousy at developing them. It's been this way for over 50 years so what makes anyone think this will all suddenly change in 2017? That's magical thinking at it's best.
If Pace is dead set on trading Cutler for whatever he can get for him then I would not waste of top pick on a QB. I would wave it in front of Bill Belicheat's nose for Jimmy Garoppolo and another pick or maybe ask him if he'd like Cutler. With Josh McCown as OC Cutler would just love that I'll bet.
But seriously. About the only way the Bears can come up with an NFL ready QB who might prove to be a good or better next year is to trade for Garoppolo. There are no vets on that list who would be better and a high draft pick won't be ready to play any better and entails more risk. Just about any other solution has all the earmarking of another disaster.