I'm not being flippant or sarcastic here, merely asking....
What can the Bears (on offense) DO? What is their core competency on offense?
I honestly have no idea. Their RB looks pretty good but we are well past the era in NFL Football where a team could run all over a defense week after week. Their WRs and TEs are merely average at best--none of them got open at all today, either short or deep. Their OL was a question mark starting the season and was simply atrocious vs the Browns.
I don't care who is under center--Dalton, Foles, or Fields--what they hell could they have done well enough to win today in the face of an OL that played like it didn't care?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Nagy. As I've said many times here, I wanted a housecleaning after last season starting with a new HC and new GM. Pace has failed to build a contention-caliber roster in 7 years. Nagy is in his 4th of not living up to his "offensive guru" billing. Both these clowns should have been shown the door last January but our cowardly ownership turtled up rather than taking bold action.
But ultimately I don't know what you can do when the 5 guys up front are getting blown off the LOS on virtually every play.
Not being flippant or sarcastic here, but the answer is simple, get a QB that can read the def pre snap and get the ball out as soon as his 3rd step hits the ground; it creates what you saw the previous 2 weeks, but it's at least watchable.
What you cannot have is a rookie or incapable QB that is able to do the above. Nagy + a bad OL do not mix. Other then the above, max protect and release 1 TE after a chip, that is simple, it also limits the O production but it doesn't allow 9 sacks and 1 passing yard.
Ric, that sounds great except for a few problems:
1) I challenge you to watch the All-22 for yourself. NO ONE WAS GETTING SEPARATION in a Bears uni today. No one. Not even Robinson. Even on short, underneath routes you throw quick to. No one was winning one on one, man-on-man. When Fields DID throw quick and hot later in the 2nd half, there was a defender draped all over Robinson, Mooney, Kmet, and Monty almost every time.
It sounds really simplistic to say "just get rid of the ball fast" but someone has to be open! They were week 1 for the most part. They were NOT today.
2) Yeah it may be "watchable" as you put it but you're not gonna win like that. Bears O just isn't good enough to put together repeated 12 play drives w/o a major fuckup or two ruining them. And we all know what a dumpster fire they are when they finally get to the RZ. They ran that strategy week 1 vs the Rams and still lost by 3+ scores.
3) Andy Dalton may be your poster boy for that kind of game plan (based only on one game) but he's hurt and was inactive. That wasn't an option and you know it. And I also know you definitely didn't want to see Foles out there. That would have been even worse, if somehow it's possible to be worse.
I'm not defending Nagy here by any stretch--he blows and he should have been shit-canned along with Ryan idiot Pace the day after the WC loss last season--but I really don't know what kind of O you can call when you're 5 guys up front and being manhandled virtually every single play. The OL was so bad that even rolling Fields out--we are talking about a guy who runs 4.41 here--didn't allow him to escape constant pursuit and pressure.
Basic tenet of football: you must be able to block your opponent to a bare minimum degree as a starting point
1)They haven't gotten separation for the last 2-3 years. The Bears were near dead last in WR separation last year. I was told that was b/c of the QB. Why is it different now?
That doesn't mean you cannot throw it to the WR's, hell ARob made his career in Chicago off of catching passes in tight coverage. Just bc there is no separation doesn't mean you cannot release the ball to one.
2)Are you gonna win like this? Honestly, you gonna win w/your qb taking 9 sacks, and 50ish yards?
3) He's my poster boy b/c that's the only thing that will work w/Nagy and this O. Your the one that cannot accept the reality that he is the kind of qb required for this team to compete. Ya he's hurt, but he's not on pup or ir, b/c he's not THAT hurt. He'll be back and you better be willing to accept it and the reason why.
Everyone wants to talk about how bad the O line is but remember by PFF coming into this game.
Jason Peters is PFF’s No. 9 offensive tackle (along with Ifedi at No. 11) after two games. This puts the Bears as the only team with both of its starting tackles amongst the highest-graded players
Everyone wants to talk about how bad the O line is but remember by PFF coming into this game.
Jason Peters is PFF’s No. 9 offensive tackle (along with Ifedi at No. 11) after two games. This puts the Bears as the only team with both of its starting tackles amongst the highest-graded players
They both played like ASS today. Is that on them or on Nagy?
Take your pick but the whole OL was blown off the LOS almost every play and no QB can succeed with that.
1)They haven't gotten separation for the last 2-3 years. The Bears were near dead last in WR separation last year. I was told that was b/c of the QB. Why is it different now?
That doesn't mean you cannot throw it to the WR's, hell ARob made his career in Chicago off of catching passes in tight coverage. Just bc there is no separation doesn't mean you cannot release the ball to one.
2)Are you gonna win like this? Honestly, you gonna win w/your qb taking 9 sacks, and 50ish yards?
3) He's my poster boy b/c that's the only thing that will work w/Nagy and this O. Your the one that cannot accept the reality that he is the kind of qb required for this team to compete. Ya he's hurt, but he's not on pup or ir, b/c he's not THAT hurt. He'll be back and you better be willing to accept it and the reason why.
1) Ric, even in the 2nd half when Fields threw quick underneath it was tightly COVERED. Pass after pass was batted away. Watch it again. This wasn't on the QB. NO ONE WAS OPEN EVEN IN THE SHORT GAME.
2) No, you can't win either way. Bears aren't talented enough to win your way and no team can win the way today's game went. This is a 6-7 win roster (thank you, Ryan Pace) coached by a HC in over his head (thank you again, Ryan Pace).
Everyone wants to talk about how bad the O line is but remember by PFF coming into this game.
Jason Peters is PFF’s No. 9 offensive tackle (along with Ifedi at No. 11) after two games. This puts the Bears as the only team with both of its starting tackles amongst the highest-graded players
They both played like ASS today. Is that on them or on Nagy?
Take your pick but the whole OL was blown off the LOS almost every play and no QB can succeed with that.
Its a combination of 3.
Nagy - He needs to design plays around a young rookie qb and use his elite talent Fields - Not his fault but Dalton had a very quick release making our OL look better OL - This is do to lack of talent which is kinda a pace fault
Everyone acts like the Browns was the first tough defense we faced. We faced the RAMS week 1 and still scored 14 points with Dalton. Again its not on fields but he does get some blame. He's a rookie so I understand.
Everyone wants to talk about how bad the O line is but remember by PFF coming into this game.
Jason Peters is PFF’s No. 9 offensive tackle (along with Ifedi at No. 11) after two games. This puts the Bears as the only team with both of its starting tackles amongst the highest-graded players
All I know is that in THIS game Peters & Ifedi were pathetic. Turnstiles. The interior OL were horrific too.
