Nagy came here heralded as "The Guy" who helped develop Patrick Mahomes and the OC of the powerful Kansas City Chiefs offense. But more and more I'm thinking he was nothing more than a guy who helped Andy Reid as a gopher getting Andy his coffee in the mornings. I'm also beginning to wonder if this is the guy we want "developing" Justin Fields.
Maybe I'm wrong. But he sure seems bogus as an offensive minded coach. And I keep looking to see improvement from him. But I just don't see it. Do you?
Nope. He’s not a SB quality head-coach and he needs to go. Pace will let him go when he has to cover his own failures….
If Pace is not decisive in this I believe Pace will be shown the door out too.
Yeah it's terrible when Nagy's play calling causes people to drop catchable balls, miss blocks, and commit illegal procedure penalties.
No question that failing to execute plays is on the players. But there are coaching issues here too. And one other thing. I believe he has an undisciplined team now on gamedays with some of these players. We saw that last season too. So, my point is that it's not a single-issue problem. Nagy is certainly part of the problem though.
Yeah it's terrible when Nagy's play calling causes people to drop catchable balls, miss blocks, and commit illegal procedure penalties.
That's the thing isn't it. We got a glimpse of the OFF running well on that first drive. And then...its not all on Nagy, players are being put into positions to execute. In KC they execute. In Chicago, Robinson drops a TD right through his hands. If you watch replays, some plays have guys schemed open and then the OL can't execute. The next play the OL holds but the WRs can't create seperation. They showed a play from the Rams game with Goodwin (Maybe Boyd?) missed a seam on an end-around that would have gone for distance.
Will everyone get on the same page? We'll see. Players don't get fired, HCs do.
Yeah it's terrible when Nagy's play calling causes people to drop catchable balls, miss blocks, and commit illegal procedure penalties.
That's the thing isn't it. We got a glimpse of the OFF running well on that first drive. And then...its not all on Nagy, players are being put into positions to execute. In KC they execute. In Chicago, Robinson drops a TD right through his hands. If you watch replays, some plays have guys schemed open and then the OL can't execute. The next play the OL holds but the WRs can't create seperation. They showed a play from the Rams game with Goodwin (Maybe Boyd?) missed a seam on an end-around that would have gone for distance.
Will everyone get on the same page? We'll see. Players don't get fired, HCs do.
Some of that is coaching. It's not an exact science to me when I look at the Bears issues (it's not black and white players vs coaching). There's issues for both I think. The drop was 100% on Robinson and he'll own that. And in fairness even the best WRs have drops, but they don't have too many. It sucked that ARob had his in the endzone like that. But these player mistakes don't (in my mind) mean it's all on the players on gameday. Nagy is an issue also.
That's the thing isn't it. We got a glimpse of the OFF running well on that first drive. And then...its not all on Nagy, players are being put into positions to execute. In KC they execute. In Chicago, Robinson drops a TD right through his hands. If you watch replays, some plays have guys schemed open and then the OL can't execute. The next play the OL holds but the WRs can't create seperation. They showed a play from the Rams game with Goodwin (Maybe Boyd?) missed a seam on an end-around that would have gone for distance.
Will everyone get on the same page? We'll see. Players don't get fired, HCs do.
Some of that is coaching. It's not an exact science to me when I look at the Bears issues (it's not black and white players vs coaching). There's issues for both I think. The drop was 100% on Robinson and he'll own that. And in fairness even the best WRs have drops, but they don't have too many. It sucked that ARob had his in the endzone like that. But these player mistakes don't (in my mind) mean it's all on the players on gameday. Nagy is an issue also.
I'll put it this way: Fields is gonna make some "rookie mistakes"--bank on it. Bears were lucky to escape with a win Sunday after Fields' pick and Robinson's drop.
I will give Pace and Ric some credit here. We don't know how far apart the two sides were in contract negotiations but yeah Robinson doesn't deserve more money if he isn't gonna make elite plays. And that TD drop wasn't exactly an elite play. He needs to make that catch 90+% of the time. Adams and Hopkins make that catch, no excuses. Game was over if he makes it and instead Bears were lucky to escape with a 3 point win.
Yeah it's terrible when Nagy's play calling causes people to drop catchable balls, miss blocks, and commit illegal procedure penalties.
That's the thing isn't it. We got a glimpse of the OFF running well on that first drive. And then...its not all on Nagy, players are being put into positions to execute. In KC they execute. In Chicago, Robinson drops a TD right through his hands. If you watch replays, some plays have guys schemed open and then the OL can't execute. The next play the OL holds but the WRs can't create seperation. They showed a play from the Rams game with Goodwin (Maybe Boyd?) missed a seam on an end-around that would have gone for distance.
Will everyone get on the same page? We'll see. Players don't get fired, HCs do.
My main annoyance is that if people are going to use these examples to excuse Fields's performance they need to apply them equally to the play calling. Had those player's performed as they should have the Bears would have had 31 points and not 20. And no one would be talking about "play calling" or Fields' sub-par performance.
That's the thing isn't it. We got a glimpse of the OFF running well on that first drive. And then...its not all on Nagy, players are being put into positions to execute. In KC they execute. In Chicago, Robinson drops a TD right through his hands. If you watch replays, some plays have guys schemed open and then the OL can't execute. The next play the OL holds but the WRs can't create seperation. They showed a play from the Rams game with Goodwin (Maybe Boyd?) missed a seam on an end-around that would have gone for distance.
Will everyone get on the same page? We'll see. Players don't get fired, HCs do.
My main annoyance is that if people are going to use these examples to excuse Fields's performance they need to apply them equally to the play calling. Had those player's performed as they should have the Bears would have had 31 points and not 20. And no one would be talking about "play calling" or Fields' sub-par performance.
Nagy allowed Fields to take a few shots, I agree. And at least one, if not two, of those would have been big plays had the WR come down with a catchable ball. Same can be said of Kmet's big gainer wiped away by a ticky-tack OPI call.
We are all just tired of the Nagy-isms that seem to occur all too often. Such as:
Wasting a timeout cuz the play call comes in too late Breaking momentum by over-substituting Cutesy gadget type plays that haven't worked since the 2018 season Can we scheme a running game that doesn't involve always throwing Monty into the center of the line and hoping he breaks 3 tackles? Can we stop with the awful WR screens that rarely gain more than 2?
My main annoyance is that if people are going to use these examples to excuse Fields's performance they need to apply them equally to the play calling. Had those player's performed as they should have the Bears would have had 31 points and not 20. And no one would be talking about "play calling" or Fields' sub-par performance.
Nagy allowed Fields to take a few shots, I agree. And at least one, if not two, of those would have been big plays had the WR come down with a catchable ball. Same can be said of Kmet's big gainer wiped away by a ticky-tack OPI call.
We are all just tired of the Nagy-isms that seem to occur all too often. Such as:
Wasting a timeout cuz the play call comes in too late Breaking momentum by over-substituting Cutesy gadget type plays that haven't worked since the 2018 season Can we scheme a running game that doesn't involve always throwing Monty into the center of the line and hoping he breaks 3 tackles? Can we stop with the awful WR screens that rarely gain more than 2?
+1
And if anyone believes Nagy is this "offense guru" guy that we hired, well, where is the evidence? Where is the evidence that he's shown that he knows how to build a solid offense? Where is the evidence that he even knows what he's doing? So far, I just don't see it. I see a guy who appears to be in WAY over his head here. I believe the Kansas City Chiefs were successful during Nagy's tenure because of having a Hall of Fame coach who DOES know offense and how to develop a QB - Andy Reid. I watched Reid interact with Mahomes in those early games of his career. It was clearly those 2 working together, Reid and Mahomes... it wasn't some offense-guru stuff by Nagy. Andy Reid knows how to build and coach an offense. Nagy? Well, he knows how to build what we've seen here in recent years. It's not good. It's not good at all.
Post by shortfacedbear on Sept 21, 2021 14:17:18 GMT -6
I guess I do not understand why this is a foreign concept for fans. If he didn't want to play to his last QB's strength, what makes anyone think he can develop much less play to a player's strengtbs.