What would be a reasonable and fair expectation for this 2021 team's performance, that would make you think they deserve to stay here for 2022? The key to the question is "reasonable and fair" here. I'm assuming most of us would be fine keeping these two if the team shows some level of evidence that the team is heading in a good direction. But what would be your personal benchmark level of 2021 achievement that they would need to achieve for you to want them to stay here?
Bonus Question: What's your gut-feeling for the McCaskey family's benchmark for firing the two? How bad does it need to be for them to let them both go in 2022? Again, I'm just curious here. How safe are their jobs?
I'm guessing that it may not be a wins/losses benchmark. I'm thinking it may boil down to whether or not the team is showing real progress as compared with the last two seasons. What does that look like?
On Offense:
1. Need to see the young (and new) receivers and TEs show evidence of being solid acquisitions by Pace - and Nagy shows he can use them well. Can you look at their 2021 performance and see real talent there that will help this offense in 2022 with Nagy the coach?
2. Does Fields use these skill players to light it up on offense, or will it be more of the clown show offense performances this year, like the last two years... but just a better QB surrounded by poor talent?
On Defense:
Will the D continue to look like the D we saw against the Rams, or will we see (at least) a good-but-not great defense that can do enough on gamedays for the team to win? Did Pace provide at least a baseline of D talent for this year's roster to perform at that level, or is the D getting killed on gameday? If the bottom drops out this year on D then Pace will be seen as the guy responsible, not the coach.
The overall team:
If Nagy would lose the locker room (not saying it will happen but if) then obviously he's not here in 2022. Will that result in Pace being let go too? I don't know. I think the team will have to win more games than the last two 8-win seasons for Pace/Nagy to survive and get 2022 here. How many more wins? I don't know. But the team needs to show it can beat teams better than the bad ones... not just beating up on the Lions and Lions-level teams. Pace's players can't perform so poorly this year that it clearly looks like Nagy has been given poor talent - with the expectation of making chicken salad out of chicken poop.
---Another season that doesn't give some hope for a good 2022 and beyond, gets both guys fired I think. The heat will be too intense on the McCaskey's to NOT pull the plug.
---If, on the other hand, the team does look like an ascending team that is getting it together with Pace's players and Nagy's coaching - then both get another year here.
Post by brasilbear on Sept 18, 2021 13:51:05 GMT -6
I don't think there is a win-loss record attached to keeping them. By allowing them to draft Fields and set the plan up for this year, I think they'll need a Trestman like implosion to get fired. Remember with the 7th playoff team, some team is sneaking in with a 9-8 or 8-9 record. 12 wins is a pipe-dream for this team. If that is what its going to take, fire them now.
Post by GrizzlyBear on Sept 19, 2021 7:04:49 GMT -6
As much as many of us would like to see them clean house and start from scratch, they're both not going anywhere, unless we have a giant meltdown inside the locker room like we did back in 2014.
You don't hold a press conference and tell everyone how great the collaboration and the atmosphere inside HH is just to fire them both 12 months later.
As much as many of us would like to see them clean house and start from scratch, they're both not going anywhere, unless we have a giant meltdown inside the locker room like we did back in 2014.
You don't hold a press conference and tell everyone how great the collaboration and the atmosphere inside HH is just to fire them both 12 months later.
unfortunately, this is truth. I think the best we can hope for is Pace removing playcalling duties from Nagy. I seriously doubt that happens... I also hope Nagy's arena ball doesn't screw Fields up too much for the next coach, whenever that might be.