Considering the OL didn't fall apart against Aaron Donald and (arguably) the best defense in the NFL, then maybe it's time to start Fields sooner rather than later. Not because Dalton was bad. He wasn't. But because the O with Fields should be a more explosive offense. If Fields is clueless at this point then sure, don't start him. But all we've heard about this guy is that he's at a near-genius level with his football IQ and ability to quickly learn. I liked the way they got him into the game a tiny bit last night and he scored. He looked mighty poised to me out there. Granted it was just a couple of plays. Still.
LINK The flip side of all of this is with exception of a 41-yard run by David Montgomery on the second play of the game, the Bears couldn’t do anything explosive on offense.
This is going to be a big-time dilemma because that’s what the NFL is right now. It’s about what teams have the ability to create explosive plays on offense and limit them on the other side of the ball. I remember talking to a scout more than a year and a half ago and he told me he and others with his team were spending an exhaustive amount of offseason time on it. Who manufactured explosive plays and why? Who was routinely beaten by explosive plays and why? It was as if they were on a mission to unlock the key to winning football games.
Something isn’t right when Allen Robinson is targeted 11 times and has six catches for 35 yards. Darnell Mooney has all the speed a receiver ever would need and had five catches for 26 yards. The Bears had only one completion go for more than 11 yards.
It’s going to be a long season if this cannot be corrected because the Bears are going up against some high-caliber quarterbacks
Considering the OL didn't fall apart against Aaron Donald and (arguably) the best defense in the NFL, then maybe it's time to start Fields sooner rather than later. Not because Dalton was bad. He wasn't. But because the O with Fields should be a more explosive offense. If Fields is clueless at this point then sure, don't start him. But all we've heard about this guy is that he's at a near-genius level with his football IQ and ability to quickly learn. I liked the way they got him into the game a tiny bit last night and he scored. He looked mighty poised to me out there. Granted it was just a couple of plays. Still.
LINK The flip side of all of this is with exception of a 41-yard run by David Montgomery on the second play of the game, the Bears couldn’t do anything explosive on offense.
This is going to be a big-time dilemma because that’s what the NFL is right now. It’s about what teams have the ability to create explosive plays on offense and limit them on the other side of the ball. I remember talking to a scout more than a year and a half ago and he told me he and others with his team were spending an exhaustive amount of offseason time on it. Who manufactured explosive plays and why? Who was routinely beaten by explosive plays and why? It was as if they were on a mission to unlock the key to winning football games.
Something isn’t right when Allen Robinson is targeted 11 times and has six catches for 35 yards. Darnell Mooney has all the speed a receiver ever would need and had five catches for 26 yards. The Bears had only one completion go for more than 11 yards.
It’s going to be a long season if this cannot be corrected because the Bears are going up against some high-caliber quarterbacks
And the Bears and their fans are just now figuring this out. As recent as last year we will had posters here arguing that the Bears needed ro invest more in the DEF and win the "Bear's way." Thye still have too much money invested in the DEF and not in playmakers on OFF. Not only that, they don't use the play makers they have correctly.
(1) Graham should be option #1 on EVERY SINGLE goalline pass play. Make the DEF account for and double team him. (2) Despite Holtz's block on the Fields TD, Horstead needed to be active in a game the Bears knew they were going to have trouble getting points in. Again, force the DEF to adjust to the playmakers instead of running with TE who literally plays as a FB. (3) No max protect schemes for a shot down field? Really? Can't line up with Monty and Williams in a T-formation with Dalton, and give Mooney time to make a double move on Ramsey? He was so aggressive yesterday that a double move w/a pump fake would have had Mooney 10+ yards clear running down the field.
Considering the OL didn't fall apart against Aaron Donald and (arguably) the best defense in the NFL, then maybe it's time to start Fields sooner rather than later. Not because Dalton was bad. He wasn't. But because the O with Fields should be a more explosive offense. If Fields is clueless at this point then sure, don't start him. But all we've heard about this guy is that he's at a near-genius level with his football IQ and ability to quickly learn. I liked the way they got him into the game a tiny bit last night and he scored. He looked mighty poised to me out there. Granted it was just a couple of plays. Still.
And the Bears and their fans are just now figuring this out. As recent as last year we will had posters here arguing that the Bears needed ro invest more in the DEF and win the "Bear's way." Thye still have too much money invested in the DEF and not in playmakers on OFF. Not only that, they don't use the play makers they have correctly.
(1) Graham should be option #1 on EVERY SINGLE goalline pass play. Make the DEF account for and double team him. (2) Despite Holtz's block on the Fields TD, Horstead needed to be active in a game the Bears knew they were going to have trouble getting points in. Again, force the DEF to adjust to the playmakers instead of running with TE who literally plays as a FB. (3) No max protect schemes for a shot down field? Really? Can't line up with Monty and Williams in a T-formation with Dalton, and give Mooney time to make a double move on Ramsey? He was so aggressive yesterday that a double move w/a pump fake would have had Mooney 10+ yards clear running down the field.
Regarding #3, I was flabbergasted with the play call on the 4th & 15. Putting aside whether going for it there was the best move or not, if you're gonna go for it, then GO FOR IT.
I get that it was in effect a Hail Mary desperation move to make it a one score game so just do it then! Max protect and send 3 deep verticals with your three fastest guys (Mooney, Byrd, and Goodwin) and chuck the ball to the goal-line for crying out loud. Maybe get lucky, maybe draw a PI. Instead they tried to complete a tightly contested throw at the sticks that had no more chance of succeeding than a deeper ball.
I mean seriously--going on 4th & 15 screams desperation so don't half ass it. See if someone can beat his man deep and put the ball in the EZ. If it's picked, who cares?
Post by germansbombedph on Sept 14, 2021 2:23:37 GMT -6
It's unfair to say something against Dalton. He did his job and I think he is a solid option on this teams the last 1-4 years (instead of Mitchell as our QB). Now we are here and know Fields will get more gimmick downs game after game until he finally gets to take over the starting spot by game 10. That's not going to help anybody... Nagy has to be a clear leader here and stop his schtick. Keep Dalton in the game, not some shit that might throw him off just 1% to lead to a redzone INT. Stop calling plays as HC. I'm not the biggest fan managing a whole roster while calling plays. Give it to Lazor, especially after we've seen him calling it better last season.
There is potential in all of this. Nagy will get himself fired because of this, instead of showing leadership and handing over duties.
Post by brasilbear on Sept 14, 2021 8:37:59 GMT -6
I have been saying this for years, and I screamed it at the TV in Sunday night...STOP RUNNING WR SCREENS!! I remember when Johnny Knox would try to block on WR screens.
I have been saying this for years, and I screamed it at the TV in Sunday night...STOP RUNNING WR SCREENS!! I remember when Johnny Knox would try to block on WR screens.
I can't remember the last time the Bears were an effective screen team. Some teams run them so well and we have always run them so poorly. I really don't understand why.
Wow, Nagy's evasive word salad pressers get worse by the week. So emblematic of a top down lack of vision.
It's the old Lovie Smith & Jerry Angelo rope-a-dope stuff :-)
We've been down this road before. Phil Emery and Trestman worked it too... and certainly John Fox was a master at being evasive with fans and media with the under-performance of the Bears. It's how we roll here.
"I like our chances" and "there's a lot of football left to play" and on and on.
I have been saying this for years, and I screamed it at the TV in Sunday night...STOP RUNNING WR SCREENS!! I remember when Johnny Knox would try to block on WR screens.
I can't remember the last time the Bears were an effective screen team. Some teams run them so well and we have always run them so poorly. I really don't understand why.
Teams that in the NFL run the WR screen well are also the teams that throw downfield. When KC sets a WR screen, I've seen them run a double move out of it or pump it to the left and throw deep to Hardman/Waktins who is running deep on the right. Of course, Hill can take a screen 10+ yards because of his speed. The difference is personnel and game context. The Bears going as far back as Shea, seem to think that a WR screen should and can be called in any situation. Its not just a Nagy problem, although he is the latest to have an issue with it. I think these HC/OCs see it in college and seriously don't realize that the WR catching the ball is literally bigger/faster/stronger than tha LBs on the other team.
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I'd like to understand more about NFL substitution patterns, because I think that might be an issue here. Does Nagy send in Boyd because he knows he's running a WR screen or is Boyd in because Robinsons is out for a play to catch his breath and Nagy calls the WR screen without thinking who is blocking? I don't know what the issue is beyound just pounding the table and screaming "NAGY!!!!! WHY!!!!"
Does anyone know? Is Robinson just given every 8th play off? I know there are substitutions for specific situations (or there should be--like Graham should be in on EVERY SINGLE REDZONE PLAY...EVERY SINGLE ONE...EVEN IF ITS A RUN!) but outside of specific play calls, does anyone know how NFL teams manage that?