How can you get an effective pass rush when our secondary is this horrible? No way.
There hasn't been an effective pass rush in 3yrs. The 2dry was a problem for this week. Stop making excuses for guys paid to get to the QB. If Stafford was getting the ball out sub 3 seconds like Dalton, then ya you aren't getting to him, but I doubt that was the case since he was chucking it deep.
We have had this discussion over and over the last 2 seasons so lets dispense with it right now.
Last 2 years whenever the Bears lost and the O sputtered (almost every time), the retort was: "most of the money is on the defensive side so the D needs to play better". Every freakin' time.
There was some truth to that and no question the defense regressed from an elite unit in 2018 to a good unit in in 2019 to a so-so unit in 2020. I tended to view that at the time as a deflection of blame for the dumpster fire that Trubisky had become but okay I get it.
Now let's fast-forward to real time and where we are now in 2021. I'll be 100% clear so there's no future misunderstandings the rest of the year:
THIS DEFENSE ISN'T GONNA "WIN GAMES". IT IS AN AVERAGE UNIT AT BEST. PROBABLY WELL BELOW AVERAGE. THE FRONT-7 IS AGING FAST AND THE SECONDARY TOTALLY BLOWS. DROP ANY IDEA THAT THIS DEFENSE IS GONNA STOP ANY COMPETENT OFFENSE--IT WON'T.
That isn't some hot-take reaction after a blowout loss. We discussed it here all offseason and preseason. The Bears aren't gonna win many games this year without the offense scoring at least league-average (25 points) as the defense is no longer good enough to stop decent teams.
All that to try and again defend that shit ass effort on defense. No one, and I mean no one thought that they looked good last night, in fact as pointed out in this thread it was historically bad.
The Bears were never going to compete with a team looking to compete for a SB, 0% of people expected the O to score enough or the D to limit their O enough to win last night. BUT
There were two surprises last night. 1 that the OL protected the QB and opened run lanes, allowing the offense to move the ball and give the def rests, it wasn't just a 3 and out offense like last year. They weren't great but against the Rams they werent expected to be.
2 the defense completely shit the bed. That def since 2014 hadnt given up more then 2 50yd plus plays in a year. They did it in week one bc of 2 totally blown plays by the safeties. No one thought they were holding the Rams to under 20, but they didn't make them punt but one time in the first half, or even make them break a sweat.
Again no one expected the bears to be great or win, but of the O and D the worries were about the O. Did they do their job, no, but it was better then what the def did, and it's not an argument its obvious
The D wasn't good. It was bad. No one is saying otherwise. We all knew Stafford was gonna light that shit secondary up. The only surprise was how wide open those two bombs were.
Expect the defense to be low-average-to-poor all season.It no longer has the horses to be anything more than that. We discussed it all offseason. There's been nothing added to the defense since 2018 despite several key subtractions plus the aging factor.
Overall, this is a crap team with a (hopefully) good rookie QB prospect who's currently on the sideline. My expectations this year are for 6-7 wins and I wouldn't be surprised if it is only 4-5. Ryan Pace has spent 7 years constructing the current roster and, even putting aside the QB situation, the roster still pales in comparison to "good teams" and to what it should be at this point if the GM was truly good at his job.
Ryan Pace is simply not a good enough GM...period.
Let me repeat: THE 2021 BEARS ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL. Can we agree on that?
I'm re-watching the game tonight. The Bears were still in the game late in the 3rd quarter (14-20). It was still a 6 point game. The earlier Dalton int on the 3-yard line was a killer in this game. Should have been a score for sure there. That and a few of those big plays given up by the D cost us 21 points. Some ignorant penalties hurt too. Obviously, you can't get away with those mistakes against a team as good as the Rams.
I'm wondering how much, if any, the team can clean up in upcoming games.
Yet people kept saying the O was worse then the D last night.
Huh? WHO said that?
You seem positively obsessed with this offense-defense thing when there's plenty of blame to go around. The defense is clearly aging and in steep decline (hmm, guess who predicted that this past offseason...oh yeah, that was me) and the offense has frankly sucked continuously since Trestman Year 1.
You're not gonna win many games when your defense gives up 8.52 YPP --or-- when your offense can't score more than 14 points.
"Stafford had his best game ever, not only against the Bears, in terms of passer rating (156.6) and yards per attempt (12.35). And if you go by those two stats, it was one of the best days a QB has had against the Bears in either 50 or 70 years, give or take."
Wow. What a kick in the groin.
I'm not trying to pile on GM Ryan Pace (trying very hard not to) but last night I re-watched the game and my #1 thought, just seared into my brain, was "This is the work product - the entire work product - for 7 years of work by our GM?" Really? This is "it" for 7 years of "building" a winner here in Chicago?
I "get it" as far as the history these past 7 years. Stuff happens. But boy, I just look at the hard evidence - the team on display after 7 years - and it just seems like a poor return on investment for 7 years of player and coaching moves. I don't know how you can spin this as being somehow "okay" performance. Have some teams been worse than the Bears? Sure. But you don't place the bar at "not being the worst" right?
As Lovie Smith would always say, "There's a lot of football left to play" and LOL, his zinger "I like our chances" but I think the fat lady is singing as far as Pace and Nagy's tenure here on the Bears - if - if they can't do better than what we see right now with this team.
How can you get an effective pass rush when our secondary is this horrible? No way.
There hasn't been an effective pass rush in 3yrs. The 2dry was a problem for this week. Stop making excuses for guys paid to get to the QB. If Stafford was getting the ball out sub 3 seconds like Dalton, then ya you aren't getting to him, but I doubt that was the case since he was chucking it deep.
Doesn't matter. That first TD was a perfect example of what I am talking about. You don't have to hold the ball long in the pocket when a receiver is that wide open deep.I will predict that this will be the lowest numbers of sacks, hurrries, pressures, forced fumbles stats for Mack in his whole career. That will not be his fault, it will be because this damn secondary is absolutely PATHETIC. Some of these clowns should not even be in the league. Did you notice that Trufant started at CB for the Saints against the Packers?
"Stafford had his best game ever, not only against the Bears, in terms of passer rating (156.6) and yards per attempt (12.35). And if you go by those two stats, it was one of the best days a QB has had against the Bears in either 50 or 70 years, give or take."
Wow. What a kick in the groin.
I'm not trying to pile on GM Ryan Pace (trying very hard not to) but last night I re-watched the game and my #1 thought, just seared into my brain, was "This is the work product - the entire work product - for 7 years of work by our GM?" Really? This is "it" for 7 years of "building" a winner here in Chicago?
I "get it" as far as the history these past 7 years. Stuff happens. But boy, I just look at the hard evidence - the team on display after 7 years - and it just seems like a poor return on investment for 7 years of player and coaching moves. I don't know how you can spin this as being somehow "okay" performance. Have some teams been worse than the Bears? Sure. But you don't place the bar at "not being the worst" right?
As Lovie Smith would always say, "There's a lot of football left to play" and LOL, his zinger "I like our chances" but I think the fat lady is singing as far as Pace and Nagy's tenure here on the Bears - if - if they can't do better than what we see right now with this team.
Re: Stafford, I am not surprised at all, other than maybe the 2 massively blown coverages. Stafford, when he doesn't throw picks, is a pretty good QB. He's put up big numbers for years, often on crap teams with Detroit. He would have beat us week 1 last season if Deandre Swift hadn't dropped an easy TD pass with 10 seconds left on the clock. I expected Stafford to score multiple TDs and put up at least 300 yards passing. Given the weakness of our secondary, which we all knew about, this shouldn't have surprised anyone.
Re: Pace, yeah that's what I have been talking about since late last season. Ryan Pace simply hasn't gotten the job done. A "C" isn't a passing grade after 7 years. That's more than enough time to build a quality, complete roster on both sides of the ball, even if you're "being patient" in developing your rookie 1st round pick QB. Like I said elsewhere, if the QBs were reversed Sunday night, the Bears were still the lower quality team. Game would likely have been closer but I think the W-L result would have been the same.
There hasn't been an effective pass rush in 3yrs. The 2dry was a problem for this week. Stop making excuses for guys paid to get to the QB. If Stafford was getting the ball out sub 3 seconds like Dalton, then ya you aren't getting to him, but I doubt that was the case since he was chucking it deep.
Doesn't matter. That first TD was a perfect example of what I am talking about. You don't have to hold the ball long in the pocket when a receiver is that wide open deep.I will predict that this will be the lowest numbers of sacks, hurrries, pressures, forced fumbles stats for Mack in his whole career. That will not be his fault, it will be because this damn secondary is absolutely PATHETIC. Some of these clowns should not even be in the league. Did you notice that Trufant started at CB for the Saints against the Packers?
It does matter b/c your point was that the DL was the problem w/the 2ndry and that isn't really the case. The 2ndry is a problem b/c the 2ndry is a problem all on it's own. That game was a perfect example, Dalton got the ball out in 2.12 seconds, there is no pass rush that will get to a qb in under 2.5 seconds, the DB's have do their jobs all on their own. It's not like Stafford was holding onto the ball on 7 step drops and waiting b/c the pass rush wasn't there; he didn't have to b/c the DB's weren't doing their job on a consistent basis. As a point of emphasis I pointed out that the DL/LB's haven't been getting pressure the last few years and the DB's weren't the problem.
There was a constant, the front 7 not getting pressure, but in the past the DB's still did their job more often then not. This weekend they failed at that regardless of the front 7. And btw, a lot of O's do what he Bears did last night, get the ball out quickly and try and produce YAC b/c of how the rules are set up. So getting a constant pass rush is going to get harder and harder unless your team is playing w/a big lead, which the Bears O is not set up to do(again you whiff on your qb pick it sets the team back). Until this team is ready for Fields to take over; and Fields is ready to be able to pre read a def and get the ball out quick, the O won't do much of it either.
Yet people kept saying the O was worse then the D last night.
Huh? WHO said that?
You seem positively obsessed with this offense-defense thing when there's plenty of blame to go around. The defense is clearly aging and in steep decline (hmm, guess who predicted that this past offseason...oh yeah, that was me) and the offense has frankly sucked continuously since Trestman Year 1.
You're not gonna win many games when your defense gives up 8.52 YPP --or-- when your offense can't score more than 14 points.
MOTM and Jusnixx were both saying it in the shoutbox Sunday night; and plenty were on social media also. Keep up.
Post by brasilbear on Sept 14, 2021 16:37:18 GMT -6
Last season when the Bears DEF was terrible: "They are out there making business decisions, there is going to be lockerroom issues between Nagy and the DEF."
This season when the Beats DEF was terrible: "They are terrible"
Truth: They were terrible last year and will be terrible this year.