I'm curious why some think the Bears gave up a lot to get Fields? I thought it was a great deal for the Bears. They got their QB and didn't give up any picks in this draft. They have their 2nd round pick to make another great addition.
I'm curious why some think the Bears gave up a lot to get Fields? I thought it was a great deal for the Bears. They got their QB and didn't give up any picks in this draft. They have their 2nd round pick to make another great addition.
Watching the NFLN post-day1 wrap-up and they are totally gushing about the move. Everyone saying "Bears won Day 1" and "the steal of the draft".
It's rare to hear the Bears being talked about so much in a positive light. This was a solid move by Pace and I give him a lot of credit.
+1
I think that what we are seeing now, is a young GM who is learning and getting better and better over time. I like to think Pace is evolving into a better GM. And I want to believe that is the case with Nagy and his entire coaching staff - that they will always be improving and learning from any mistakes they have made.
If that is, in fact, the case, then the future is bright for the franchise.
Everyone, even the best GMs and coaches, make mistakes. What separates the good ones from the bad, is the fact that they learn. They evolve. They get better. In fact that applies to players also. It will certainly apply to this young college QB, Justin Fields as he begins to climb the QB learning curve to being an NFL quarterback. For quarterbacks transitioning to the NFL that learning curve is a Mount Everest climb. Many (most) fail to make that ascent. I'm hoping and praying for this young man to make it though. I think he has a shot. It will be exciting and fun to watch him learn and evolve. I hope Pace and Nagy make it here too. I've been extremely critical of these two. But I haven't given up on them yet.
Regarding Pace, "These are his players. These are his coaches. This is his team." and that statement could have an entirely different meaning if the team turns around now. Some day, in hindsight, we may look back on last night's drafting of Justin Fields, as THE turning point for the Chicago Bears, and the careers of Pace and Nagy. I'm not saying it WILL happen, but I'm saying it very well COULD happen. I'm sure pulling for this team, Justin, and certainly Pace and Nagy. LOL, all will be forgiven if this move turns out well over time... we could have several years of good QB play as a result. How cool is that? Mighty cool indeed.
As Ric and I were discussing in a different thread, Pace's early round drafting (on offense anyway) has dramatically improved in the last few years. It might be experience, better scouting, Nagy's influence, whatever, IDK. But he's not squandering 1sts and 2nds anymore on 1 year wonders, JUCO transfers, guys who played their college ball at Northeastern Nebraska State Music School, etc.
Regarding Nagy, he's out of excuses now. Time to put up or shut up. He was brought here to improve and modernize the Bears offense so LET'S SEE IT! I don't expect miracles in 2021 but another O ranking 25th or worse is unacceptable.
I'm curious why some think the Bears gave up a lot to get Fields? I thought it was a great deal for the Bears. They got their QB and didn't give up any picks in this draft. They have their 2nd round pick to make another great addition.
I calculated it. They gave up 1299.2 points to get 1250.
Considering the team moving up almost always pays about a 2-5% premium, that's in range. Would have been nice to hold onto this years 5th to make the value closer but you gotta consider Pace couldn't get too cute and risk losing the deal to Washington or New England.
I stumbled on this earlier. This is a "must read" for Bears fans. It's not just a bunch of hyperbole. The guy backs this up with facts worth considering. Here's a snippet of the article:
LINK The Chicago Bears pulled off one of the biggest steals in the modern draft era by trading up for QB Justin Fields
Fields is that that good as an NFL prospect. And yes, he certainly benefitted from a good situation at Ohio State, but he’s not like other Buckeye quarterbacks who flamed out in the NFL.
The Ohio State product possesses athleticism, arm talent, pinpoint accuracy, an ability to extend plays, fantastic judgment and unreal wheels, all traits that no other Chicago quarterback has ever come close to boasting. It's why Fields was able to produce at an elite level as the Buckeyes’ starter in 2019 and 2020, leading to the honor of being the most valuable player in college football over those two seasons, according to PFF’s wins above average (WAA) metric. He posted a PFF grade of 91.5 in 2019 and 93.5 in 2020, both of which were top-five marks among FBS quarterbacks.
... Bad decision-making is also something that has long plagued the quarterback position in Chicago, as Trubisky ranked sixth-to-last in turnover-worthy play rate in his time with the Bears. And over the last decade, Bears QBs have thrown a crisp 118 interceptions on 10-plus-yard passes, the third-most in the NFL over that span.
Once again, this isn't going to be the same story with Fields under center, as his career turnover-worthy play rate of 2.1% is the third-best ever recorded by a Power Five quarterback.
Another underappreciated attribute that fields will bring to the Windy City is his ability to impact the run game. He clocked a 4.44 40-yard dash at his pro day and ranked second among FBS quarterbacks in rushing grade in 2020. He has totaled 49 runs of 10-plus yards, picked up a first down or touchdown on 42% of his carries and averaged 3.7 yards after contact per attempt in his three-year college career. The latter two figures rank first and second, respectively, among Power Five quarterbacks since 2018.
Whether it’s a designed run or a scramble creating something out of nothing, Fields is going to make plays on the ground, and that’s an asset Matt Nagy will take full advantage of...
... Fields outperformed Lawrence in 2020, he still slid down the board considerably. And even though he suffered a rib injury in the College Football Playoff Semifinal against Clemson, Fields still managed to put on the best playoff performance we have ever seen, posting a 94.6 passing grade, four big-time throws and zero turnover-worthy plays.
Fields’ physical profile is all but perfect — it is what the league is trending toward at the position. He has all of the most important traits of an NFL quarterback and the production to back it up.
Is he going to hold onto the ball too long from time to time? Probably. Is he going to take more sacks than one would like to see? Probably. But you know what he is going to be? Deadly accurate, a big-time run threat, a top-notch downfield passer, a sharp decision-maker and a quarterback who can make something out of nothing when needed. And that sounds a lot like the guy from Seattle that Chicago tried to land via trade early on this offseason.
That's who Fields is in my eyes — he's the jumbo version of Russell Wilson.
Fields has all the requisite tools to become the best quarterback in Chicago Bears history. He would be the first overall pick in most classes, and Chicago instead landed him 11th overall. We got to give a tip of the hat to Pace, Nagy & Co. for taking action and making this move everyone else was afraid to make. A few years down the road, we will be talking about this being one of the greatest trade-ups in NFL draft history.
I stumbled on this earlier. This is a "must read" for Bears fans. It's not just a bunch of hyperbole. The guy backs this up with facts worth considering. Here's a snippet of the article:
LINK The Chicago Bears pulled off one of the biggest steals in the modern draft era by trading up for QB Justin Fields
Fields is that that good as an NFL prospect. And yes, he certainly benefitted from a good situation at Ohio State, but he’s not like other Buckeye quarterbacks who flamed out in the NFL.
The Ohio State product possesses athleticism, arm talent, pinpoint accuracy, an ability to extend plays, fantastic judgment and unreal wheels, all traits that no other Chicago quarterback has ever come close to boasting. It's why Fields was able to produce at an elite level as the Buckeyes’ starter in 2019 and 2020, leading to the honor of being the most valuable player in college football over those two seasons, according to PFF’s wins above average (WAA) metric. He posted a PFF grade of 91.5 in 2019 and 93.5 in 2020, both of which were top-five marks among FBS quarterbacks.
... Bad decision-making is also something that has long plagued the quarterback position in Chicago, as Trubisky ranked sixth-to-last in turnover-worthy play rate in his time with the Bears. And over the last decade, Bears QBs have thrown a crisp 118 interceptions on 10-plus-yard passes, the third-most in the NFL over that span.
Once again, this isn't going to be the same story with Fields under center, as his career turnover-worthy play rate of 2.1% is the third-best ever recorded by a Power Five quarterback.
Another underappreciated attribute that fields will bring to the Windy City is his ability to impact the run game. He clocked a 4.44 40-yard dash at his pro day and ranked second among FBS quarterbacks in rushing grade in 2020. He has totaled 49 runs of 10-plus yards, picked up a first down or touchdown on 42% of his carries and averaged 3.7 yards after contact per attempt in his three-year college career. The latter two figures rank first and second, respectively, among Power Five quarterbacks since 2018.
Whether it’s a designed run or a scramble creating something out of nothing, Fields is going to make plays on the ground, and that’s an asset Matt Nagy will take full advantage of...
... Fields outperformed Lawrence in 2020, he still slid down the board considerably. And even though he suffered a rib injury in the College Football Playoff Semifinal against Clemson, Fields still managed to put on the best playoff performance we have ever seen, posting a 94.6 passing grade, four big-time throws and zero turnover-worthy plays.
Fields’ physical profile is all but perfect — it is what the league is trending toward at the position. He has all of the most important traits of an NFL quarterback and the production to back it up.
Is he going to hold onto the ball too long from time to time? Probably. Is he going to take more sacks than one would like to see? Probably. But you know what he is going to be? Deadly accurate, a big-time run threat, a top-notch downfield passer, a sharp decision-maker and a quarterback who can make something out of nothing when needed. And that sounds a lot like the guy from Seattle that Chicago tried to land via trade early on this offseason.
That's who Fields is in my eyes — he's the jumbo version of Russell Wilson.
Fields has all the requisite tools to become the best quarterback in Chicago Bears history. He would be the first overall pick in most classes, and Chicago instead landed him 11th overall. We got to give a tip of the hat to Pace, Nagy & Co. for taking action and making this move everyone else was afraid to make. A few years down the road, we will be talking about this being one of the greatest trade-ups in NFL draft history.
We talked about in real time last in the Shoutbox. When he fell to about #9 or so, we all started calling for Pace to start reaching for the phone. When he got past Philly to #11, it was a no brainer. No way he was gonna fall much more--Washington or New England would have pounced.
I stumbled on this earlier. This is a "must read" for Bears fans. It's not just a bunch of hyperbole. The guy backs this up with facts worth considering. Here's a snippet of the article:
We talked about in real time last in the Shoutbox. When he fell to about #9 or so, we all started calling for Pace to start reaching for the phone. When he got past Philly to #11, it was a no brainer. No way he was gonna fall much more--Washington or New England would have pounced.
talking to a Minny fan, he agrees that Minny would have taken him; and it's why they traded back. Bears were smart to jump ahead of them.
I'm curious why some think the Bears gave up a lot to get Fields? I thought it was a great deal for the Bears. They got their QB and didn't give up any picks in this draft. They have their 2nd round pick to make another great addition.
I posed the same question earlier in thread. I keep reading and hearing "giant haul" amd "Kings ransom" but to me a 1st and 4th next year and this year's fifth doesn't seem all that crazy. Seems fair. I've been bummed in the past about capital lost trading up and certainly would always like to pay less but I'm perfectly fine with the price.
One of my favorite caveats is Trey Lance has completed a fraction of the passes that Trubisky did through their college careers. We went from untested smaller program raw QB to the guy with grit, the guy who has been a proven winner through a long CFB career. He is the Watson this draft and I'm beyond excited to see this draft play out.
Outside of Trevor Lawrence or Mac Jones after a trade down or two (which obv wasn't a reality), Fields is the guy I wanted.
Struggled going to bed last night! Ended up watching reaction, breakdowns and highlights until the middle of the night!
I'm curious why some think the Bears gave up a lot to get Fields? I thought it was a great deal for the Bears. They got their QB and didn't give up any picks in this draft. They have their 2nd round pick to make another great addition.
I posed the same question earlier in thread. I keep reading and hearing "giant haul" amd "Kings ransom" but to me a 1st and 4th next year and this year's fifth doesn't seem all that crazy. Seems fair. I've been bummed in the past about capital lost trading up and certainly would always like to pay less but I'm perfectly fine with the price.
One of my favorite caveats is Trey Lance has completed a fraction of the passes that Trubisky did through their college careers. We went from untested smaller program raw QB to the guy with grit, the guy who has been a proven winner through a long CFB career. He is the Watson this draft and I'm beyond excited to see this draft play out.
Outside of Trevor Lawrence or Mac Jones after a trade down or two (which obv wasn't a reality), Fields is the guy I wanted.
Struggled going to bed last night! Ended up watching reaction, breakdowns and highlights until the middle of the night!
BEAR DOWN
The trade was reasonable value. Bears gave up 1299 points for 1250, which is within the +/- 5% or so you usually see. Team trading up almost always pays a small premium for obvious reasons. It would have been better for Bears if we had been able to keep our 5th (~ 25 pts) but you can't split hairs too much in that situation--Pace had to make sure Washington or NE didn't outbid him.
It really was the classic "good deal for both sides". Bears finally got a true franchise QB prospect that fell within range for them and NYG get to give Daniel Jones one more year to declare himself. If he flops, they will have 2 FRPs worth of capital in 2022 to draft a replacement.
I stumbled on this earlier. This is a "must read" for Bears fans. It's not just a bunch of hyperbole. The guy backs this up with facts worth considering. Here's a snippet of the article:
LINK The Chicago Bears pulled off one of the biggest steals in the modern draft era by trading up for QB Justin Fields
Fields is that that good as an NFL prospect. And yes, he certainly benefitted from a good situation at Ohio State, but he’s not like other Buckeye quarterbacks who flamed out in the NFL.
The Ohio State product possesses athleticism, arm talent, pinpoint accuracy, an ability to extend plays, fantastic judgment and unreal wheels, all traits that no other Chicago quarterback has ever come close to boasting. It's why Fields was able to produce at an elite level as the Buckeyes’ starter in 2019 and 2020, leading to the honor of being the most valuable player in college football over those two seasons, according to PFF’s wins above average (WAA) metric. He posted a PFF grade of 91.5 in 2019 and 93.5 in 2020, both of which were top-five marks among FBS quarterbacks.
... Bad decision-making is also something that has long plagued the quarterback position in Chicago, as Trubisky ranked sixth-to-last in turnover-worthy play rate in his time with the Bears. And over the last decade, Bears QBs have thrown a crisp 118 interceptions on 10-plus-yard passes, the third-most in the NFL over that span.
Once again, this isn't going to be the same story with Fields under center, as his career turnover-worthy play rate of 2.1% is the third-best ever recorded by a Power Five quarterback.
Another underappreciated attribute that fields will bring to the Windy City is his ability to impact the run game. He clocked a 4.44 40-yard dash at his pro day and ranked second among FBS quarterbacks in rushing grade in 2020. He has totaled 49 runs of 10-plus yards, picked up a first down or touchdown on 42% of his carries and averaged 3.7 yards after contact per attempt in his three-year college career. The latter two figures rank first and second, respectively, among Power Five quarterbacks since 2018.
Whether it’s a designed run or a scramble creating something out of nothing, Fields is going to make plays on the ground, and that’s an asset Matt Nagy will take full advantage of...
... Fields outperformed Lawrence in 2020, he still slid down the board considerably. And even though he suffered a rib injury in the College Football Playoff Semifinal against Clemson, Fields still managed to put on the best playoff performance we have ever seen, posting a 94.6 passing grade, four big-time throws and zero turnover-worthy plays.
Fields’ physical profile is all but perfect — it is what the league is trending toward at the position. He has all of the most important traits of an NFL quarterback and the production to back it up.
Is he going to hold onto the ball too long from time to time? Probably. Is he going to take more sacks than one would like to see? Probably. But you know what he is going to be? Deadly accurate, a big-time run threat, a top-notch downfield passer, a sharp decision-maker and a quarterback who can make something out of nothing when needed. And that sounds a lot like the guy from Seattle that Chicago tried to land via trade early on this offseason.
That's who Fields is in my eyes — he's the jumbo version of Russell Wilson.
Fields has all the requisite tools to become the best quarterback in Chicago Bears history. He would be the first overall pick in most classes, and Chicago instead landed him 11th overall. We got to give a tip of the hat to Pace, Nagy & Co. for taking action and making this move everyone else was afraid to make. A few years down the road, we will be talking about this being one of the greatest trade-ups in NFL draft history.
Cool stuff, Dave. I'd go even further and say Fields is a younger and more athletic mix of Russ and Dak.