Post by riczaj01 on Jan 23, 2021 16:01:49 GMT -6
They talk about how terrible it was, and how it wouldn't have been that hard to talk about staying the course and having confidence in Pace/Nagy since they've been together. Dont remember how they exactly put it but there is a case to be made, mostly b/c turning over the GM/HC every 3-4 years is not a recipe for success.
My guess is they knew that there would be growing pains w/both as they are young and both were first time in their jobs, GM/HC. They should have known there would be mistakes early on but HH is likely looking for improvements from both that go beyond just winning. 670 earlier this week pointed out that nothing about what George or Ted said that made it sound like either were on the hot seat, and overall sounded like they were okay w/keeping them and not just for 1 more year unless it works. Basically it's just media/fans speculating(like we did last year).
I don't think it's that hard to believe that Pace/Nagy said they need a shot to draft/develop a qb together and that might well buy them another 2-3 years. It keeps being pointed out that HH will not tell anyone their contract lengths, which isn't that uncommon in most sports and most teams; so what if both were given extensions long enough to draft and develop a 2nd QB?
I agree that it takes time for young/new GMs and HCs to mature. Some do. Some don't. It boils down to whether or not the Ted Phillips and the McCaskeys believe these two will lead the franchise back to NFL relevance. Pace has brought in Mike Glennon, Mitchell Trubisky and Nick Foles. I'm not saying he can't fix the QB position, but honestly I don't see evidence that he can. Doesn't mean he won't. It is just 3 strikes against him in my book (so far). Kaep/Griffin from just a football issue both had the same issue, didn't want to put the work in.
My gut feeling is that money drove this decision for the McCaskey family. With Ted Phillips blessing.
No disagreeing, except why do you think he brought in Foles? Nagy. That was 100% the GM giving what the HC wanted, same w/TGab/Burton/ARob. The GM's job is to give the HC, OC/DC what they want/need. I would agree that money was a factor, but again going back to what I heard on 670, there was nothing about what was said in that post season interview that said that either were ever on the hotseat, or were even now.
Glennon I still say was 50% smoke screen 50% hoping for lighting in a bottle to trade way the following year. It failed miserably but look at the qb's below and tell me at that time who you really wanted that would have been better, outside maybe Fitz; I say maybe b/c he didn't become what he is until his 2nd year in TB, and TB had much better weapons to throw to then the shitshow Chicago gave MG and MT in 2017.
None of these qb's look better then Glennon that year in Chicago so Pace gets dumped on regardless. MG was all about making people think the Bears were giving him a shot this year so they could do something else w/that top 5 pick. If they don't they have teams looking to trade in front of them to grab a qb b/c they know what Chicago is going to do. It was the right move, Glennon was the only one on that list that had never gotten a shot to start and therefore not seen as only a backup. He wasn't seen as good but it was, unkown starter vs known bad starter.
I scratched out Kaep b/c no one signed him and HH sure to hell was going to either.
Brian Hoyer, QB, 49ers. Age: 31.
Signed with Patriots
Brian Hoyer got a lot of flak for what happened in Houston, but the fact remains that he led a team to the playoffs. In six starts in 2016, Hoyer threw six touchdowns to zero interceptions and also completed 67 percent of his passes. He didn't pan out as a starter in San Francisco, but he remains a very strong backup that the Patriots could potentially sign.
Mike Glennon, QB, Buccaneers. Age: 27.
Signed with Bears (3 years, $45 million)
Adam Schefter reported that Mike Glennon could receive $13-$15 million per year on his next contract, which is just insane. Glennon has a career completion percentage of 59.4 and a YPA of 6.5. Neither are good marks. He's thrown 30 touchdowns compared to only 15 interceptions, but as we've seen from Nick Foles' 27:2 2013 campaign, those sorts of figures can be fluky.
Colin Kaepernick, QB, 49ers. Age: 29.
Colin Kaepernick sparked some controversy last year, but he has announced that he will stand for the National Anthem in 2017. That's fine, but his football skills are the big problem. Kaepernick has declined every single year since 2013, as he has refused to put the appropriate amount of work into film study. Some will point to his 16:4 touchdown-to-interception ratio, but that echoes Nick Foles' 27:2 ratio from 2013, as it was a complete farce because most of Kaepernick's production came in garbage time of blowouts. He maintained a sub-60 completion percentage, which is more of an indication of how he really played. Kaepernick still has good potential, but no team should consider him to be a starter in 2017. At most, he's a decent backup and a potential reclamation project.
Robert Griffin, QB, Browns. Age: 27.
Ian Rapoport reported that Robert Griffin will be released, so I'm adding him to the rankings. Griffin obviously has great natural ability, as he was a former No. 2 overall draft pick, but he's an injury-prone quarterback who doesn't put any work into studying film.
Brock Osweiler, QB, Browns. Age: 26.
Signed with Broncos
The Browns received a second-round pick just to pay Brock Osweiler $16 million to stay off the roster. That's how disappointing he was. The writing was on the wall when John Elway didn't bother re-signing him. Osweiler has major accuracy woes, and there are self-entitlement issues as well.
Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB, Jets. Age: 34.
Signed with Buccaneers
Ryan Fitzpatrick held out for lots of money last summer, and it backfired, as he never got into a rhythm with his teammates and struggled the entire year as a result. Fitzpatrick, however, was never as good as played in 2015, but he can still be a solid backup.
Geno Smith, QB, Jets. Age: 26.
Signed with Giants
Geno Smith was once a second-round pick with promise, but he's been hurt by inaccuracy and an inability to grasp the mental part of the game. He still has potential, which is why I'm giving him two stars, but I don't have much hope for him.
Signed with Patriots
Brian Hoyer got a lot of flak for what happened in Houston, but the fact remains that he led a team to the playoffs. In six starts in 2016, Hoyer threw six touchdowns to zero interceptions and also completed 67 percent of his passes. He didn't pan out as a starter in San Francisco, but he remains a very strong backup that the Patriots could potentially sign.
Mike Glennon, QB, Buccaneers. Age: 27.
Signed with Bears (3 years, $45 million)
Adam Schefter reported that Mike Glennon could receive $13-$15 million per year on his next contract, which is just insane. Glennon has a career completion percentage of 59.4 and a YPA of 6.5. Neither are good marks. He's thrown 30 touchdowns compared to only 15 interceptions, but as we've seen from Nick Foles' 27:2 2013 campaign, those sorts of figures can be fluky.
Colin Kaepernick sparked some controversy last year, but he has announced that he will stand for the National Anthem in 2017. That's fine, but his football skills are the big problem. Kaepernick has declined every single year since 2013, as he has refused to put the appropriate amount of work into film study. Some will point to his 16:4 touchdown-to-interception ratio, but that echoes Nick Foles' 27:2 ratio from 2013, as it was a complete farce because most of Kaepernick's production came in garbage time of blowouts. He maintained a sub-60 completion percentage, which is more of an indication of how he really played. Kaepernick still has good potential, but no team should consider him to be a starter in 2017. At most, he's a decent backup and a potential reclamation project.
Robert Griffin, QB, Browns. Age: 27.
Ian Rapoport reported that Robert Griffin will be released, so I'm adding him to the rankings. Griffin obviously has great natural ability, as he was a former No. 2 overall draft pick, but he's an injury-prone quarterback who doesn't put any work into studying film.
Brock Osweiler, QB, Browns. Age: 26.
Signed with Broncos
The Browns received a second-round pick just to pay Brock Osweiler $16 million to stay off the roster. That's how disappointing he was. The writing was on the wall when John Elway didn't bother re-signing him. Osweiler has major accuracy woes, and there are self-entitlement issues as well.
Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB, Jets. Age: 34.
Signed with Buccaneers
Ryan Fitzpatrick held out for lots of money last summer, and it backfired, as he never got into a rhythm with his teammates and struggled the entire year as a result. Fitzpatrick, however, was never as good as played in 2015, but he can still be a solid backup.
Geno Smith, QB, Jets. Age: 26.
Signed with Giants
Geno Smith was once a second-round pick with promise, but he's been hurt by inaccuracy and an inability to grasp the mental part of the game. He still has potential, which is why I'm giving him two stars, but I don't have much hope for him.
