Post by weneedmorelinemen on Jan 19, 2021 10:05:56 GMT -6
If Foles is the starter next year, they need OT help in a big way. They need to spend some money and draft picks, real draft picks not 7th rounds on scratch off lottery ticket offensive linemen.
I'm not sure if they sign Ifedi as the RT, and lock up Bars as depth when Daniels comes back and leave Mustipher as the center. Have to sign Mustipher to a longer term deal as well. Massive can be cut (Seriously, Pace, 30 million for a four year extension in 2019 for him?). Leno, if they cut him, would save money but they need to hit on another tackle which I don't trust Pace to do. I certainly don't want Pace to sign a vet OT in FA, because he'll pay him a stupid amount of money and find a player worse than Leno.
If Foles is the starter next year, they need OT help in a big way. They need to spend some money and draft picks, real draft picks not 7th rounds on scratch off lottery ticket offensive linemen.
I'm not sure if they sign Ifedi as the RT, and lock up Bars as depth when Daniels comes back and leave Mustipher as the center. Have to sign Mustipher to a longer term deal as well. Massive can be cut (Seriously, Pace, 30 million for a four year extension in 2019 for him?). Leno, if they cut him, would save money but they need to hit on another tackle which I don't trust Pace to do. I certainly don't want Pace to sign a vet OT in FA, because he'll pay him a stupid amount of money and find a player worse than Leno.
I'll put it this way:
If our first 2 picks are not OT & QB or QB & OT I'm gonna personally drive to HH and kick Ryan Pace in the nuts.
If Foles is the starter next year, they need OT help in a big way. They need to spend some money and draft picks, real draft picks not 7th rounds on scratch off lottery ticket offensive linemen.
I'm not sure if they sign Ifedi as the RT, and lock up Bars as depth when Daniels comes back and leave Mustipher as the center. Have to sign Mustipher to a longer term deal as well. Massive can be cut (Seriously, Pace, 30 million for a four year extension in 2019 for him?). Leno, if they cut him, would save money but they need to hit on another tackle which I don't trust Pace to do. I certainly don't want Pace to sign a vet OT in FA, because he'll pay him a stupid amount of money and find a player worse than Leno.
I'll put it this way:
If our first 2 picks are not OT & QB or QB & OT I'm gonna personally drive to HH and kick Ryan Pace in the nuts.
First round is gonna be ILB and next will be a trade up for another TE. That tight end will have a 4th round grade by another team whose draft board will be leaked in a picture.
If Foles is the starter next year, they need OT help in a big way. They need to spend some money and draft picks, real draft picks not 7th rounds on scratch off lottery ticket offensive linemen.
I'm not sure if they sign Ifedi as the RT, and lock up Bars as depth when Daniels comes back and leave Mustipher as the center. Have to sign Mustipher to a longer term deal as well. Massive can be cut (Seriously, Pace, 30 million for a four year extension in 2019 for him?). Leno, if they cut him, would save money but they need to hit on another tackle which I don't trust Pace to do. I certainly don't want Pace to sign a vet OT in FA, because he'll pay him a stupid amount of money and find a player worse than Leno.
+1,000 to all of that.
I'm just holding my breath that Pace doesn't do much more damage before the new GM takes over in 2022. Pace could really do some damage before he's finally out the door.
If our first 2 picks are not OT & QB or QB & OT I'm gonna personally drive to HH and kick Ryan Pace in the nuts.
First round is gonna be ILB and next will be a trade up for another TE. That tight end will have a 4th round grade by another team whose draft board will be leaked in a picture.
All kidding aside, our two biggest need positions (it's ridiculously obvious which those are) also happen to be 2 very high value/impact positions. It's supposed to be a good draft for OTs and it looks preliminarily like 5 QBs could go 1st round.
Perfect marriage of need and availability. Unless there's some ridiculous great value there -- like edge rusher Julius Peppers 2.0 falling to the 2nd round -- drafting the best available players at those positions 1st and 2nd seems like a wise strategy to me.
First round is gonna be ILB and next will be a trade up for another TE. That tight end will have a 4th round grade by another team whose draft board will be leaked in a picture.
All kidding aside, our two biggest need positions (it's ridiculously obvious which those are) also happen to be 2 very high value/impact positions. It's supposed to be a good draft for OTs and it looks preliminarily like 5 QBs could go 1st round.
Perfect marriage of need and availability. Unless there's some ridiculous great value there -- like edge rusher Julius Peppers 2.O falling to the 2nd round -- drafting the best available players at those positions 1st and 2nd seems like a wise strategy to me.
I just have the uneasy feeling Pace will try to prove he's the smartest guy in the room again and do something stupid with that first round pick for a QB. I don't mind drafting QB in the first round, but my sinking feeling is that Pace doesn't have a clue and will screw it up. I wish he'd go OL and not screw that one up. He hasn't drafted any OL in the first round spanning 6 drafts. If you include all of the first 3 rounds spanning those 6 drafts, he whiffed on Grasu in the 3rd round and he did draft Daniels and Whitehair as 2nd round picks. Massie is a 4th round pick from Arizona. Leno is a 7th round LT that Phil Emery drafted.
I wish Pace had put a higher priority on the OL before now. And regarding him drafting a QB this year, it just makes me so uneasy. You just "know" he's going to crap the bed again. I do hope I am wrong about all of this. But I don't thing Pace can get it done here. One year, or three years more... it's just going to be more of the same. I agree with you about the fact that if he's given a 1 year "prove it" or get fired situation in 2021 then bad things are gonna happen to the team. But I can't imagine having to watch him work for 3 more seasons here.
All kidding aside, our two biggest need positions (it's ridiculously obvious which those are) also happen to be 2 very high value/impact positions. It's supposed to be a good draft for OTs and it looks preliminarily like 5 QBs could go 1st round.
Perfect marriage of need and availability. Unless there's some ridiculous great value there -- like edge rusher Julius Peppers 2.O falling to the 2nd round -- drafting the best available players at those positions 1st and 2nd seems like a wise strategy to me.
I just have the uneasy feeling Pace will try to prove he's the smartest guy in the room again and do something stupid with that first round pick for a QB. I don't mind drafting QB in the first round, but my sinking feeling is that Pace doesn't have a clue and will screw it up. I wish he'd go OL and not screw that one up. He hasn't drafted any OL in the first round spanning 6 drafts. If you include all of the first 3 rounds spanning those 6 drafts, he whiffed on Grasu in the 3rd round and he did draft Daniels and Whitehair as 2nd round picks. Massie is a 4th round pick from Arizona. Leno is a 7th round LT that Phil Emery drafted.
I wish Pace had put a higher priority on the OL before now. And regarding him drafting a QB this year, it just makes me so uneasy. You just "know" he's going to crap the bed again. I do hope I am wrong about all of this. But I don't thing Pace can get it done here. One year, or three years more... it's just going to be more of the same. I agree with you about the fact that if he's given a 1 year "prove it" or get fired situation in 2021 then bad things are gonna happen to the team. But I can't imagine having to watch him work for 3 more seasons here.
I was told you have to add in Germain Ifedi as a first round pick, so the Bears really have a (Rt to LT) 1st-2nd-UDFA-2nd-7th. Thats an investment of a 1st, 2nds, a 4th and a 7th assuming they line up Ifedi-Whitehair-Mustipher-Daniels-Leno next season. And again I was told that this represents a good investment by Pace in an OL.
I just have the uneasy feeling Pace will try to prove he's the smartest guy in the room again and do something stupid with that first round pick for a QB. I don't mind drafting QB in the first round, but my sinking feeling is that Pace doesn't have a clue and will screw it up. I wish he'd go OL and not screw that one up. He hasn't drafted any OL in the first round spanning 6 drafts. If you include all of the first 3 rounds spanning those 6 drafts, he whiffed on Grasu in the 3rd round and he did draft Daniels and Whitehair as 2nd round picks. Massie is a 4th round pick from Arizona. Leno is a 7th round LT that Phil Emery drafted.
I wish Pace had put a higher priority on the OL before now. And regarding him drafting a QB this year, it just makes me so uneasy. You just "know" he's going to crap the bed again. I do hope I am wrong about all of this. But I don't thing Pace can get it done here. One year, or three years more... it's just going to be more of the same. I agree with you about the fact that if he's given a 1 year "prove it" or get fired situation in 2021 then bad things are gonna happen to the team. But I can't imagine having to watch him work for 3 more seasons here.
I was told you have to add in Germain Ifedi as a first round pick, so the Bears really have a (Rt to LT) 1st-2nd-UDFA-2nd-7th. Thats an investment of a 1st, 2nds, a 4th and a 7th assuming they line up Ifedi-Whitehair-Mustipher-Daniels-Leno next season. And again I was told that this represents a good investment by Pace in an OL.
Ifedi actually played better at RT than he did at RG. I'd like to keep him and have him compete at RT with a new draft pick. At the very least he's versatile depth. It's time to move on from Massie and save some cap.
There's no question the team has skimped at OT. Haven't drafted one earlier than the 6th on a long time. But yeah, substantial investments were made on the interior whether you want to believe it or not. 2 2nd round picks (one of them replacing a former 1st round pick) and a former 1st round pick FA isn't exactly "neglect" there. The interior fell apart mid-season largely due to Daniels getting hurt and Nagy's disastrous decision to stick with Coward who was awful.
That $70 million contract for Quinn is a killer on cap space. Some say that he has had many more sacks playing 4-3 than 3-4. I am sure Mack can excel in any system, so maybe we should bring in a DC who is great at 4-3 and hope that helps recover some of the investment in Quinn over the next year or two.
