Here's the deal. Yes, QBs get over-drafted in the NFL. That's reality whether we like it or not. That's the gig at the NFL level. And we've seen what happens to a franchise when you don't have a franchise QB. No Super Bowl wins here. For decades and decades. You either have a franchise QB. Or not. We don't have one. So get one... or at least TRY to get one.
I get so sick of hearing the whining about "how hard it is to draft a franchise QB" well, yes. Life is hard sometimes. You can either roll over and give up. Or you can keep trying. I'm in that camp of keeping on trying until you finally achieve something good. Look, eventually (if we keep trying) the blind squirrel is gonna find that acorn here in Chicago and the Bears will get their franchise QB. It is gonna be so sweet when we do.
Just. Keep. Trying.
Don't quit just because "it's hard" to draft a good QB in the NFL.
And here's another thing that burns my butt. People seem to worry about missing with our 1st round pick on a QB. Well hey, we aren't exactly lighting things up under Pace with our 1st rounders anyway. If you're gonna throw away a 1st round pick then at least give a QB a whirl and draft one of 'em in hopes you DO eventually land a good one. Pace has sure done dumber things with his 1st round picks over the years. So has Emery. So has Jerry Angelo. So grow a pair and keep trying to get a solid QB here. Keep trying. Keep pulling that draft trigger until you get your guy.
Don't just roll over and whine about "how hard" it all is. Oh, the humanity of it all... we have to try and draft a QB in the 1st round again. LOL, a Super Bowl championship is not coming to Chicago until we get this figured out. I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting tired of the wait for a Lombardi here. This isn't rocket science. If you don't even try to draft a solid QB, we probably won't get one by magic. LOL.
Here's the deal. Yes, QBs get over-drafted in the NFL. That's reality whether we like it or not. That's the gig at the NFL level. And we've seen what happens to a franchise when you don't have a franchise QB. No Super Bowl wins here. For decades and decades. You either have a franchise QB. Or not. We don't have one. So get one... or at least TRY to get one.
I get so sick of hearing the whining about "how hard it is to draft a franchise QB" well, yes. Life is hard sometimes. You can either roll over and give up. Or you can keep trying. I'm in that camp of keeping on trying until you finally achieve something good. Look, eventually (if we keep trying) the blind squirrel is gonna find that acorn here in Chicago and the Bears will get their franchise QB. It is gonna be so sweet when we do.
Just. Keep. Trying.
Don't quit just because "it's hard" to draft a good QB in the NFL.
And here's another thing that burns my butt. People seem to worry about missing with our 1st round pick on a QB. Well hey, we aren't exactly lighting things up under Pace with our 1st rounders anyway. If you're gonna throw away a 1st round pick then at least give a QB a whirl and draft one of 'em in hopes you DO eventually land a good one. Pace has sure done dumber things with his 1st round picks over the years. So has Emery. So has Jerry Angelo. So grow a pair and keep trying to get a solid QB here. Keep trying. Keep pulling that draft trigger until you get your guy.
Don't just roll over and whine about "how hard" it all is. Oh, the humanity of it all... we have to try and draft a QB in the 1st round again. LOL, a Super Bowl championship is not coming to Chicago until we get this figured out. I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting tired of the wait for a Lombardi here. This isn't rocket science. If you don't even try to draft a solid QB, we probably won't get one by magic. LOL.
[sarcasm]But this is the worst QB class ever, 2nd round franchise QBs are easy to find, you can draft HOF QBs in the 6th round, never draft a QB in the first when there are plenty of capable UDFA QBs every year, Warner was bagging groceries for crying out loud, only draft pass rushers period, QBs are over rated--just find a game manager, DEF>OFF, draft DEF early and OFF late...what else have I read around here.....[/sarcasm]
Here's the deal. Yes, QBs get over-drafted in the NFL. That's reality whether we like it or not. That's the gig at the NFL level. And we've seen what happens to a franchise when you don't have a franchise QB. No Super Bowl wins here. For decades and decades. You either have a franchise QB. Or not. We don't have one. So get one... or at least TRY to get one.
I get so sick of hearing the whining about "how hard it is to draft a franchise QB" well, yes. Life is hard sometimes. You can either roll over and give up. Or you can keep trying. I'm in that camp of keeping on trying until you finally achieve something good. Look, eventually (if we keep trying) the blind squirrel is gonna find that acorn here in Chicago and the Bears will get their franchise QB. It is gonna be so sweet when we do.
Just. Keep. Trying.
Don't quit just because "it's hard" to draft a good QB in the NFL.
And here's another thing that burns my butt. People seem to worry about missing with our 1st round pick on a QB. Well hey, we aren't exactly lighting things up under Pace with our 1st rounders anyway. If you're gonna throw away a 1st round pick then at least give a QB a whirl and draft one of 'em in hopes you DO eventually land a good one. Pace has sure done dumber things with his 1st round picks over the years. So has Emery. So has Jerry Angelo. So grow a pair and keep trying to get a solid QB here. Keep trying. Keep pulling that draft trigger until you get your guy.
Don't just roll over and whine about "how hard" it all is. Oh, the humanity of it all... we have to try and draft a QB in the 1st round again. LOL, a Super Bowl championship is not coming to Chicago until we get this figured out. I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting tired of the wait for a Lombardi here. This isn't rocket science. If you don't even try to draft a solid QB, we probably won't get one by magic. LOL.
[sarcasm]But this is the worst QB class ever, 2nd round franchise QBs are easy to find, you can draft HOF QBs in the 6th round, never draft a QB in the first when there are plenty of capable UDFA QBs every year, Warner was bagging groceries for crying out loud, only draft pass rushers period, QBs are over rated--just find a game manager, DEF>OFF, draft DEF early and OFF late...what else have I read around here.....[/sarcasm]
+1
Everyone is just frustrated over this QB thing, me included. But as much as I hate missing on a QB (like Trubs) - I get even more frustrated if we give up on it all and don't even try and draft our guy. I'm just not wired like that (giving up in life). You keep on trying. If you miss again, you miss. But at least you had the guts to try and do better. LOL, as someone said, watch Pace try to show how he's the smartest guy in the room - again - and draft some crazy position other than QB or OL... and bust anyway. I think Pace and Nagy have one character trait in common. They both tend to over-think things. Makes me crazy to watch 'em. It usually blows up in their face anyway (like trading 4 draft picks to draft Trubisky while passing over Mahomes and Watson). Boom.
Exactly what I was talking about in the shout box. Overdrafting and reaching on QBs is something I hope we avoid. If there is a target Nagy is 100% sold on to be his next guy and the choice is clear and there, go ahead, but man ... Wilson's resume and game isn't first round stuff.
LMAO
Barring injury, Wilson WILL DEFINITELY GO 1ST ROUND. And easily worth it. Jordan Love went #26 this year and I'd run to the podium for Wilson if he made it to 26. Especially if I had Foles for him to learn from his 1st year before taking over.
Yes, you are right that QBs get overdrafted but the Bears don't exactly "reach" on QBs. In fact, I'd wish our GM would "reach" quite a bit more--he's drafted ONE QB in 6 years for a franchise that has never had a franchise QB. Holy Freakin Shit, I want Pace to draft TWO QBs in 2021 considering that at least 2, and maybe all 3, of our current QBs won't be here next year.
Laughing your ass off over me saying a BYU QB witg his resume and game shouldn't go in the first? Seriously he's played nobody this year and threw a whopping 11 TD passes last year to 9 ints. Have you watched him? He's doing this against the likes of Navy and Utah State. He has some traits, but the fact that a guy like him is getting first round mocks proves my point exactly. We are getting desperate to move anyone up to that 1/2 area we see guy whiffed on ever year.
Love threw three times as many TDs as true soph as Wilson did - and 3 less picks in the entire season which he stayed healthy unlike Wilson. And, no, Love should not have been a first rounder.
Here's 2007-2017(unfair to judge 2018-2020 the way I'm about to).
Green highlight means high standard
Orange means lowered standard in 1st
*I could have missed some, so please correct me if I was wrong*
Standards:
Top first rd qb was a hit if he made it to a SB(not win just got there)
2nd rd-later were you a starter for the team that drafted you and is good for a few years.
You are lucky to find 1 qb in these years, it's not uncommon to find 0, and rarely you'll get 2 or 3.
Unofficial count, 10 hits of 130 drafted, or 1 in 13. 4 in the high first round, 3 in the 2nd, 2 in the 3rd 1 in the 4th.
So at and after the 4th you are absolutely daft to draft a qb. Dak is the lone 4th, and I'm not sure how good he is w/out one of the best OL's in the NFL, w/out a HoF TE and really good WR's, and w/out one of the best RB's in the game and a few years to sit and learn.
A team would be daft to just draft a qb for the sake of drafting a qb after the 3rd, let alone every year or 2. 5 of the 10 years didn't have one hit. Are there some good first rd qb's, yes. But if you are wanting the insanely high expectation of winning a SB bc a high first rounder, then not getting to one, let alone winning isn't good enough.
If you lower the standard to just 1st round long time franchise starter, that adds 5 more. 15 of 130 or about 1 in 8 to 9. and means that there is 4 years where not one hit. Those aren't good odds.
Add in that there is a good chance that not only aren't they going to work, there are going to be more then a few that are system specific qb's, and if you don't run that system they aren't worth the capital. Most players aren't so talented to be able to not be system specific. That means you have to cut the all those qb's right out of your draft. That means the others that are left, have to match the system, be capable of playing at an NFL lvl, AND be there when you draft and think he's worth it. I think the one thing we can all agree on is you don't want to reach at qb, especially in the latter rounds.
No you don't just draft one to draft one and hope and pray, Should the bears have drafted one after Kyle and before Mitch in rounds 1-3 YES! Should they have after Mitch, only if they have a full set of picks last year and only if the player fits the system AND is there when the Bears think he should get drafted. Next year no question they should draft one, then sit him until he's ready, not b/c Foles isn't looking good enough. This is the perfect chance for the Bears to do this correct.
Year Round Player Name
2017 (1 of 10)
1 2 Mitchell Trubisky
1 10 Patrick Mahomes 1 12 Deshaun Watson 2 52 DeShone Kizer 3 87 Davis Webb 3 104 C.J. Beathard 4 135 Joshua Dobbs 5 171 Nathan Peterman 6 215 Brad Kaaya 7 253 Chad Kelly
2016 (1 of 15)
1 1 Jared Goff
1 2 Carson Wentz 1 26 Paxton Lynch 2 51 Christian Hackenberg 3 91 Jacoby Brissett 3 93 Cody Kessler 4 100 Connor Cook 4 135 Dak Prescott 4 139 Cardale Jones 5 162 Kevin Hogan 6 187 Nate Sudfeld 6 191 Jake Rudock 6 201 Brandon Allen 6 207 Jeff Driskel 7 223 Brandon Doughty
1 22 Johnny Manziel 1 32 Teddy Bridgewater 2 36 Derek Carr 2 62 Jimmy Garoppolo 4 120 Logan Thomas 4 135 Tom Savage 5 163 Aaron Murray 5 164 AJ McCarron 6 178 Zach Mettenberger 6 183 David Fales 6 194 Keith Wenning 6 213 Tajh Boyd 6 214 Garrett Gilbert
2013 (0 of 11)
1 16 EJ Manuel
2 39 Geno Smith 3 73 Mike Glennon 4 98 Matt Barkley 4 110 Ryan Nassib 4 112 Tyler Wilson 4 115 Landry Jones 7 221 Brad Sorensen 7 234 Zac Dysert 7 237 B.J. Daniels 7 249 Sean Renfree
2012 (2 of 12)
1 1 Andrew Luck
1 2 Robert Griffin 1 8 Ryan Tannehill 1 22 Brandon Weeden 2 57 Brock Osweiler 3 75 Russell Wilson 3 88 Nick Foles 4 102 Kirk Cousins 6 185 Ryan Lindley 7 243 B.J. Coleman 7 253 Chandler Harnish 3 0 Terrelle Pryor
2011 (3 of 12)
1 1 Cam Newton
1 8 Jake Locker 1 10 Blaine Gabbert 1 12 Christian Ponder 2 35 Andy Dalton 2 36 Colin Kaepernick 3 74 Ryan Mallett 5 135 Ricky Stanzi 5 152 T.J. Yates 5 160 Nathan Enderle 6 180 Tyrod Taylor 7 208 Greg McElroy
2010 (0 of 14)
1 1 Sam Bradford
1 25 Tim Tebow 2 48 Jimmy Clausen 3 85 Colt McCoy 4 122 Mike Kafka 5 155 John Skelton 5 168 Jonathan Crompton 6 176 Rusty Smith 6 181 Dan LeFevour 6 199 Joe Webb 6 204 Tony Pike 7 209 Levi Brown 7 239 Sean Canfield 7 250 Zac Robinson
2009 (0 of 11)
1 1 Matthew Stafford
1 5 Mark Sanchez 1 17 Josh Freeman 2 44 Pat White 4 101 Stephen McGee 5 151 Rhett Bomar 5 171 Nate Davis 6 174 Tom Brandstater 6 178 Mike Teel 6 196 Keith Null 6 201 Curtis Painter
2008 (2 of 13)
1 3 Matt Ryan
1 18 Joe Flacco 2 56 Brian Brohm 2 57 Chad Henne 3 94 Kevin O'Connell 5 137 John David Booty 5 156 Dennis Dixon 5 160 Josh Johnson 5 162 Erik Ainge 6 186 Colt Brennan 6 198 Andre' Woodson 7 209 Matt Flynn 7 223 Alex Brink
2007 (0 of 11)
1 1 JaMarcus Russell
1 22 Brady Quinn 2 36 Kevin Kolb 2 40 John Beck 2 43 Drew Stanton 3 92 Trent Edwards 4 103 Isaiah Stanback 5 151 Jeff Rowe 5 174 Troy Smith 6 205 Jordan Palmer 7 217 Tyler Thigpen
Barring injury, Wilson WILL DEFINITELY GO 1ST ROUND. And easily worth it. Jordan Love went #26 this year and I'd run to the podium for Wilson if he made it to 26. Especially if I had Foles for him to learn from his 1st year before taking over.
Yes, you are right that QBs get overdrafted but the Bears don't exactly "reach" on QBs. In fact, I'd wish our GM would "reach" quite a bit more--he's drafted ONE QB in 6 years for a franchise that has never had a franchise QB. Holy Freakin Shit, I want Pace to draft TWO QBs in 2021 considering that at least 2, and maybe all 3, of our current QBs won't be here next year.
Laughing your ass off over me saying a BYU QB witg his resume and game shouldn't go in the first? Seriously he's played nobody this year and threw a whopping 11 TD passes last year to 9 ints. Have you watched him? He's doing this against the likes of Navy and Utah State. He has some traits, but the fact that a guy like him is getting first round mocks proves my point exactly. We are getting desperate to move anyone up to that 1/2 area we see guy whiffed on ever year.
Love threw three times as many TDs as true soph as Wilson did - and 3 less picks in the entire season which he stayed healthy unlike Wilson. And, no, Love should not have been a first rounder.
Very simply put, most nfl teams don't know what the hell they are doing w/the draft, let alone at QB. Just because someone goes in the first, doesn't mean they should have. Hell we've drafted more then a few like that(see Shea Mc).
GB probably does though, although they've missed on as many as they've hit, they've just been lucky enough to hit Rogers when having Farve, and the guys after never had to really play b/c Rogers is mostly stayed healthy.
Drafting a qb:
Find the few that fit your system
Find the ones of that group that actually have the nfl traits to be a qb
Find the one that is on your board in the right round w/out having to reach
Draft that guy.
That means it won't be a drafted qb every year, maybe not every other year. But probably should be there more then one every 4 or 5.
Here's the deal. Yes, QBs get over-drafted in the NFL. That's reality whether we like it or not. That's the gig at the NFL level. And we've seen what happens to a franchise when you don't have a franchise QB. No Super Bowl wins here. For decades and decades. You either have a franchise QB. Or not. We don't have one. So get one... or at least TRY to get one.
I get so sick of hearing the whining about "how hard it is to draft a franchise QB" well, yes. Life is hard sometimes. You can either roll over and give up. Or you can keep trying. I'm in that camp of keeping on trying until you finally achieve something good. Look, eventually (if we keep trying) the blind squirrel is gonna find that acorn here in Chicago and the Bears will get their franchise QB. It is gonna be so sweet when we do.
Just. Keep. Trying.
Don't quit just because "it's hard" to draft a good QB in the NFL.
And here's another thing that burns my butt. People seem to worry about missing with our 1st round pick on a QB. Well hey, we aren't exactly lighting things up under Pace with our 1st rounders anyway. If you're gonna throw away a 1st round pick then at least give a QB a whirl and draft one of 'em in hopes you DO eventually land a good one. Pace has sure done dumber things with his 1st round picks over the years. So has Emery. So has Jerry Angelo. So grow a pair and keep trying to get a solid QB here. Keep trying. Keep pulling that draft trigger until you get your guy.
Don't just roll over and whine about "how hard" it all is. Oh, the humanity of it all... we have to try and draft a QB in the 1st round again. LOL, a Super Bowl championship is not coming to Chicago until we get this figured out. I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting tired of the wait for a Lombardi here. This isn't rocket science. If you don't even try to draft a solid QB, we probably won't get one by magic. LOL.
[sarcasm]But this is the worst QB class ever, 2nd round franchise QBs are easy to find, you can draft HOF QBs in the 6th round, never draft a QB in the first when there are plenty of capable UDFA QBs every year, Warner was bagging groceries for crying out loud, only draft pass rushers period, QBs are over rated--just find a game manager, DEF>OFF, draft DEF early and OFF late...what else have I read around here.....[/sarcasm]
As far as accomplishments and resume, this is probably the worst class ever. So your sarcasm and hyperole of other's words serves no purpose other than saltiness.
I can create a list of busted QBs who everyone thought were over drafted that dwarves your list of "overlooked" guys where a handful actually ended up worthwhile anywhere near their first contract.
Go ahead and draft a D3 guy who played average against garbage competition or the BYU QB who is finally breaking out against garbage competition despite previously crap play. I'll take the BPA and make my team better instead of praying that QB doesnt suck like 99% of his predecessors before he makes it to his second contract.
It would be great if these guys keep playing well and add something of note to their resumes, but right now I laugh at the idea. Wilson is a nice prospect with a shit resume and everything to prove.
[sarcasm]But this is the worst QB class ever, 2nd round franchise QBs are easy to find, you can draft HOF QBs in the 6th round, never draft a QB in the first when there are plenty of capable UDFA QBs every year, Warner was bagging groceries for crying out loud, only draft pass rushers period, QBs are over rated--just find a game manager, DEF>OFF, draft DEF early and OFF late...what else have I read around here.....[/sarcasm]
As far as accomplishments and resume, this is probably the worst class ever. So your sarcasm and hyperole of other's words serves no purpose other than saltiness.
I can create a list of busted QBs who everyone thought were over drafted that dwarves your list of "overlooked" guys where a handful actually ended up worthwhile anywhere near their first contract.
Go ahead and draft a D3 guy who played average against garbage competition or the BYU QB who is finally breaking out against garbage competition despite previously crap play. I'll take the BPA and make my team better instead of praying that QB doesnt suck like 99% of his predecessors before he makes it to his second contract.
It would be great if these guys keep playing well and add something of note to their resumes, but right now I laugh at the idea. Wilson is a nice prospect with a shit resume and everything to prove.
I just did going back 10 years from 07-17. It's not pretty.
Here I'll be nicer and drop the 4th rounders and lower(dak was the only 1 in 10 years so it's a benefit to the "draft one every year crowd".
That's 8 of 57 on the high standard, 1 in 7 hit. 6 of 10 years w/no hits. 4 first round hits, 2 2nds and 2 3rds. 3 in 10 years w/multiple hits in the same year.
Lesser standard 13 of 57 1 in 4 hit, but still have 4 years of 10 w/0 hits, 2 years w/1 hit, that leaves 4 years where you got multiple hits in a draft, ie as much of a chance of multiple qb's hitting as there are 0 qb's hitting. Again not good odds. At the best you have a 25% shot of hitting at a qb in the draft. Those aren't good odds.
This only reinforces that you don't just draft to draft one to draft one, especially w/money draft capital in rounds 1-3. BUT every year you should identify those ones that can run your system, all of them. then subtract the ones that aren't nfl talents, and then those few qb's should be put on your draft board, and if they aren't there when you think they should be drafted you pass on the position. If that means drafting multiple in 1 year, you do it, if it means not drafting on but every 3-5 years then so be it. But a 25% shot you shouldn't be passing up other talent just b/c the qb position is the "it" position.
2017(1 of 6)
1 2 Mitchell Trubisky
1 10 Patrick Mahomes 1 12 Deshaun Watson 2 52 DeShone Kizer 3 87 Davis Webb 3 104 C.J. Beathard
2016 (0 of 6) 1 1 Jared Goff 1 2 Carson Wentz 1 26 Paxton Lynch 2 51 Christian Hackenberg 3 91 Jacoby Brissett 3 93 Cody Kessler
2015 (0 of 4) 1 1 Jameis Winston 1 2 Marcus Mariota 3 75 Garrett Grayson 3 89 Sean Mannion
2014 (1 of 5) 1 3 Blake Bortles 1 22 Johnny Manziel 1 32 Teddy Bridgewater 2 36 Derek Carr 2 62 Jimmy Garoppolo
2013 (0 of 3) 1 16 EJ Manuel 2 39 Geno Smith 3 73 Mike Glennon
2012 (2 of 7) 1 1 Andrew Luck 1 2 Robert Griffin 1 8 Ryan Tannehill 1 22 Brandon Weeden 2 57 Brock Osweiler 3 75 Russell Wilson 3 88 Nick Foles
2011 (2 of 7) 1 1 Cam Newton 1 8 Jake Locker 1 10 Blaine Gabbert 1 12 Christian Ponder 2 35 Andy Dalton 2 36 Colin Kaepernick 3 74 Ryan Mallett
2010 (0 of 4) 1 1 Sam Bradford 1 25 Tim Tebow 2 48 Jimmy Clausen 3 85 Colt McCoy
2009 (0 of 4) 1 1 Matthew Stafford 1 5 Mark Sanchez 1 17 Josh Freeman 2 44 Pat White
2008 (2 of 5) 1 3 Matt Ryan 1 18 Joe Flacco 2 56 Brian Brohm 2 57 Chad Henne 3 94 Kevin O'Connell
2007 (0 of 6) 1 1 JaMarcus Russell 1 22 Brady Quinn 2 36 Kevin Kolb 2 40 John Beck 2 43 Drew Stanton 3 92 Trent Edwards
I figure that drafting a franchise QB is kind of like fishing. There is a combination of skill and luck involved. Both. But if you don't go fishing then you are not gonna catch anything. It's time for Pace to try his luck again with a QB. We haven't had a great QB here since we drafted Sid in the 1939 draft (that was 81 drafts ago....81 years ago). He was a first round home run for us. I keep thinking the law of averages surely will eventually fall in our favor here and we'll get lucky if nothing else... I'll take "lucky" here. It's like catching that trophy fish. Keep trying. Keep fishing.