He played like 2 preseason games and was smashed to bits and done.
That might be my nominee for the Bears' worst pick of the last decade. Seeing him on the field in the pre-season even I knew immediately he wasn't going to make the team and he was going to be a complete waste of a 3rd round pick. His hips were stiffer than most nose guards. Being a safety that's a kind of a problem. The fact that got past the scouts was one of the biggest indictments of Emery's (thankfully) brief run. Sure there are plenty of picks that don't work out but that guy should never have been drafted, much less in the 3rd round.
As I've said before, Emery & Pace are two sides of the same coin.
Emery was damn good on Offense but pretty awful on defense. Pace is the reverse.
That might be my nominee for the Bears' worst pick of the last decade. Seeing him on the field in the pre-season even I knew immediately he wasn't going to make the team and he was going to be a complete waste of a 3rd round pick. His hips were stiffer than most nose guards. Being a safety that's a kind of a problem. The fact that got past the scouts was one of the biggest indictments of Emery's (thankfully) brief run. Sure there are plenty of picks that don't work out but that guy should never have been drafted, much less in the 3rd round.
As I've said before, Emery & Pace are two sides of the same coin.
Emery was damn good on Offense but pretty awful on defense. Pace is the reverse.
You don't think that's a little harsh of a take on Pace?
Based on Dan Wiederer’s analysis: • GREATEST HITS: 4 — Eddie Goldman, Eddie Jackson, Adrian Amos, Jordan Howard
• SOLID SELECTIONS: 6 — Roquan Smith, Cody Whitehair, David Montgomery, Nick Kwiatkoski, Tarik Cohen, DeAndre Houston-Carson
• MISSES: 10 — Mitch Trubisky, Leonard Floyd, Jonathon Bullard, Deiondre’ Hall, Jordan Morgan, Tayo Fabuluje, Kylie Fitts, Daniel Braverman, Kerrith Whyte
•BUSTS: 3 — Kevin White, Adam Shaheen, Hroniss Grasu
• STILL OUT: 9 — James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Deon Bush, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, Riley Ridley, Bilal Nichols, Duke Shelley, Javon Wims, Stephen Denmark
Windy City ranks of Emery, I added the dividers similar to the other article. 1. Kyle Long 2. Alshon Jeffery 3. Charles Leno Jr. 4. Kyle Fuller 5. Pat O’Donnell --- 6. Ka’Deem Carey 7. Jordan Mills 8. Marquess Wilson 9. Shea McClellin 10.Will Sutton 11.Jon Bostic 12.Cornelius Washington --- 13.Isaiah Frey 14.Khaseem Greene 15.Brock Vereen 16.Ego Ferguson 17.David Fales 18.Greg McCoy 19.Evan Rodriguez 20.Brandon Hardin
As I've said before, Emery & Pace are two sides of the same coin.
Emery was damn good on Offense but pretty awful on defense. Pace is the reverse.
You don't think that's a little harsh of a take on Pace?
Based on Dan Wiederer’s analysis: • GREATEST HITS: 4 — Eddie Goldman, Eddie Jackson, Adrian Amos, Jordan Howard
• SOLID SELECTIONS: 6 — Roquan Smith, Cody Whitehair, David Montgomery, Nick Kwiatkoski, Tarik Cohen, DeAndre Houston-Carson
• MISSES: 10 — Mitch Trubisky, Leonard Floyd, Jonathon Bullard, Deiondre’ Hall, Jordan Morgan, Tayo Fabuluje, Kylie Fitts, Daniel Braverman, Kerrith Whyte
•BUSTS: 3 — Kevin White, Adam Shaheen, Hroniss Grasu
• STILL OUT: 9 — James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Deon Bush, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, Riley Ridley, Bilal Nichols, Duke Shelley, Javon Wims, Stephen Denmark
Windy City ranks of Emery, I added the dividers similar to the other article. 1. Kyle Long 2. Alshon Jeffery 3. Charles Leno Jr. 4. Kyle Fuller 5. Pat O’Donnell --- 6. Ka’Deem Carey 7. Jordan Mills 8. Marquess Wilson 9. Shea McClellin 10.Will Sutton 11.Jon Bostic 12.Cornelius Washington --- 13.Isaiah Frey 14.Khaseem Greene 15.Brock Vereen 16.Ego Ferguson 17.David Fales 18.Greg McCoy 19.Evan Rodriguez 20.Brandon Hardin
I don't know that I'd necessarily list Grasu as a bust per se. Injuries really cost him, but he was still in the league last season. He started half the season for us as a rookie, he tore his acl in camp his second year, came back and started for us his third year before breaking his snapping hand during the season.
That might be my nominee for the Bears' worst pick of the last decade. Seeing him on the field in the pre-season even I knew immediately he wasn't going to make the team and he was going to be a complete waste of a 3rd round pick. His hips were stiffer than most nose guards. Being a safety that's a kind of a problem. The fact that got past the scouts was one of the biggest indictments of Emery's (thankfully) brief run. Sure there are plenty of picks that don't work out but that guy should never have been drafted, much less in the 3rd round.
As I've said before, Emery & Pace are two sides of the same coin.
Emery was damn good on Offense but pretty awful on defense. Pace is the reverse.
I'm not sure thats the best comparison. Emery was absolutely God awful on defense. When your best defensive pick is Job Bostic...thats down right terrible. Pace has had some hits on offense. Emery had virtually none on defense.
As I've said before, Emery & Pace are two sides of the same coin.
Emery was damn good on Offense but pretty awful on defense. Pace is the reverse.
You don't think that's a little harsh of a take on Pace?
Based on Dan Wiederer’s analysis: • GREATEST HITS: 4 — Eddie Goldman, Eddie Jackson, Adrian Amos, Jordan Howard
• SOLID SELECTIONS: 6 — Roquan Smith, Cody Whitehair, David Montgomery, Nick Kwiatkoski, Tarik Cohen, DeAndre Houston-Carson
• MISSES: 10 — Mitch Trubisky, Leonard Floyd, Jonathon Bullard, Deiondre’ Hall, Jordan Morgan, Tayo Fabuluje, Kylie Fitts, Daniel Braverman, Kerrith Whyte
•BUSTS: 3 — Kevin White, Adam Shaheen, Hroniss Grasu
• STILL OUT: 9 — James Daniels, Anthony Miller, Deon Bush, Joel Iyiegbuniwe, Riley Ridley, Bilal Nichols, Duke Shelley, Javon Wims, Stephen Denmark
Windy City ranks of Emery, I added the dividers similar to the other article. 1. Kyle Long 2. Alshon Jeffery 3. Charles Leno Jr. 4. Kyle Fuller 5. Pat O’Donnell --- 6. Ka’Deem Carey 7. Jordan Mills 8. Marquess Wilson 9. Shea McClellin 10.Will Sutton 11.Jon Bostic 12.Cornelius Washington --- 13.Isaiah Frey 14.Khaseem Greene 15.Brock Vereen 16.Ego Ferguson 17.David Fales 18.Greg McCoy 19.Evan Rodriguez 20.Brandon Hardin
I'll repeat what I said in the other thread:
Ryan Pace has been dynamite on defense but has really struggled on offense, particularly at the so-called skill positions. I don't think that's a controversial statement.
ARob is Pace's only clear-cut success in that department. Anthony Miller MAY become another, we will see, if he can get his head out of his butt and produce more consistently. Cohen I agree was a solid sleeper draft pick but he's mostly a ST-stud and gadget player. JoHo was good value in the 5th as well but couldn't sustain the success he had in his first 2 seasons.
Beyond that, its been pretty much a wasteland of busts, disappointments, and underperformances at TE, WR, RB, and particularly QB. If Ryan Pace hadn't struggled like he has on offense, the Bears wouldn't be a bottom-of-the-barrel offensive team as they are right now (until proven otherwise in 2020 I hope). He's been GM for 6 offseasons now and THIS IS HIS TEAM almost to a man.
As I've said before, Emery & Pace are two sides of the same coin.
Emery was damn good on Offense but pretty awful on defense. Pace is the reverse.
I'm not sure thats the best comparison. Emery was absolutely God awful on defense. When your best defensive pick is Job Bostic...thats down right terrible. Pace has had some hits on offense. Emery had virtually none on defense.
Emery completely wrecked the defense in 2 short years, completely agree. Though, to be fair, it was an aging unit about to crumble when he took over. And, he did get Kyle Fuller in his final draft who has turned into a pro-bowl corner and mainstay defensive standout.
On the flipside, Emery assembled the best offense a Bears team has had in 20 years (#2 in NFL) in Trestman's 1st season. Adding Bushrod, Bennett, Jeffery, and Marshall to Forte was a potent combo. Even the backup QB he brought in (McCown) kicked ass.
If I could merge Emery's knack for offense with Pace's eye for talent on defense, we'd be instant SB contenders.
Post by paytonisgod on May 8, 2020 12:16:56 GMT -6
I think Pace's record on drafting on offense is likely more to do with dumb luck than any inability to draft certain positions. Each draft has its strengths and weaknesses which combined with the random order the teams draft in makes for a lot of variables that can slant the type of players acquired one way or the other. Also the available free agents each year that can be brought in factor into that as well. For instance because he signed A-Rob that may affect whether or not WR is a priority in the draft.
I think Pace's record on drafting on offense is likely more to do with dumb luck than any inability to draft certain positions. Each draft has its strengths and weaknesses which combined with the random order the teams draft in makes for a lot of variables that can slant the type of players acquired one way or the other. Also the available free agents each year that can be brought in factor into that as well. For instance because he signed A-Rob that may affect whether or not WR is a priority in the draft.
Perhaps in the short-run you can say that but after 6 full offseasons I think we are past the point of pure randomness. The Bears offense is no better (and last year was certainly WORSE) than when he first took over.
And when I'm talking about Pace's record on offense, I'm talking the whole enchilada--drafting, FA moves, trades, UDFAs, etc. Same thing with defense.
Take a look at the last item, one that's often overlooked, and that is UDFAs. On D, Pace has found some solid talent like Callahan and RRH. Crevon LeBlanc was a decent player too. Even John Timu and Nate Irving were decent as #4s and STers.
By contrast, on offense what UDFA talent has he uncovered? Probably Meredith was his best find but his career was wrecked by that awful injury. That's pretty much it. Maybe add in Braunecker too.
Just saying, whether it's Pace himself or his scouts or some combo of both, the Bears front office has clearly been more adept at player acquisition on the defensive side of the ball.
I think Pace's record on drafting on offense is likely more to do with dumb luck than any inability to draft certain positions. Each draft has its strengths and weaknesses which combined with the random order the teams draft in makes for a lot of variables that can slant the type of players acquired one way or the other. Also the available free agents each year that can be brought in factor into that as well. For instance because he signed A-Rob that may affect whether or not WR is a priority in the draft.
Perhaps in the short-run you can say that but after 6 full offseasons I think we are past the point of pure randomness. The Bears offense is no better (and last year was certainly WORSE) than when he first took over.
And when I'm talking about Pace's record on offense, I'm talking the whole enchilada--drafting, FA moves, trades, UDFAs, etc. Same thing with defense.
Take a look at the last item, one that's often overlooked, and that is UDFAs. On D, Pace has found some solid talent like Callahan and RRH. Crevon LeBlanc was a decent player too. Even John Timu and Nate Irving were decent as #4s and STers.
By contrast, on offense what UDFA talent has he uncovered? Probably Meredith was his best find but his career was wrecked by that awful injury. That's pretty much it. Maybe add in Braunecker too.
Just saying, whether it's Pace himself or his scouts or some combo of both, the Bears front office has clearly been more adept at player acquisition on the defensive side of the ball.
Everything would probably be peachy if he just took Watson. It was realistic, and would probably change everything for us. And Pace.
I think Pace's record on drafting on offense is likely more to do with dumb luck than any inability to draft certain positions. Each draft has its strengths and weaknesses which combined with the random order the teams draft in makes for a lot of variables that can slant the type of players acquired one way or the other. Also the available free agents each year that can be brought in factor into that as well. For instance because he signed A-Rob that may affect whether or not WR is a priority in the draft.
Perhaps in the short-run you can say that but after 6 full offseasons I think we are past the point of pure randomness. The Bears offense is no better (and last year was certainly WORSE) than when he first took over.
And when I'm talking about Pace's record on offense, I'm talking the whole enchilada--drafting, FA moves, trades, UDFAs, etc. Same thing with defense.
Take a look at the last item, one that's often overlooked, and that is UDFAs. On D, Pace has found some solid talent like Callahan and RRH. Crevon LeBlanc was a decent player too. Even John Timu and Nate Irving were decent as #4s and STers.
By contrast, on offense what UDFA talent has he uncovered? Probably Meredith was his best find but his career was wrecked by that awful injury. That's pretty much it. Maybe add in Braunecker too.
Just saying, whether it's Pace himself or his scouts or some combo of both, the Bears front office has clearly been more adept at player acquisition on the defensive side of the ball.
Well I don't know about 6 off seasons. We haven't even seen this year's guys on the field yet. Also when you say years that it makes it seem like a long time, but time isn't the issue here. The number of picks are.
In the five years previous years Pace has made a total of 32 picks. 17 of those were offense, 15 defense. Those are not very big numbers. It wouldn't take more than a couple of variables to skew the success rate of those picks. Injuries, draft order, the strength of the draft, among others, are all things that can impact whether or not picks are successful or not.
If we were talking about 100 picks, or even 60 or 70, we might have some confidence what we were looking at wasn't just "noise" in the trend line.