No...because we are likely to miss out on an OT anyway since we don't have a first round pick. Give me a guy like OJ Howard in this offense and I think you'll see what it's capable of. The guy is a physical freak. As it is we just signed a tackle yesterday when we released Burton.
I do agree that OJ Howard would be a difference maker in this offense. I'd be thrilled if we signed him. That being said, I am also fine drafting an OT who would not start until 2021. This is just my thinking here so it's just one meatball fan's take, but my feeling is that 2020 is not an all-or-nothing season and Pace still needs to focus on the roster longer term. If Pace can draft an OT who would be solid for many years to come, but not be a starter this year, hey, I'm 100% fine with that. It is (I totally agree) a tough balance. 2020 matters, but at the same time there is also a longer term roster need too. Now I don't know if there will be or won't be a long term OT available when we draft in the 2nd round. But if there is, then I'm fine drafting OT in the 2nd round even if he doesn't start for a year.
How the heck are we gonna get OJ Howard? With what draft capital in trade? You think Tom Brady is gonna stand for Tampa trading away one of his top weapons?
I do agree that OJ Howard would be a difference maker in this offense. I'd be thrilled if we signed him. That being said, I am also fine drafting an OT who would not start until 2021. This is just my thinking here so it's just one meatball fan's take, but my feeling is that 2020 is not an all-or-nothing season and Pace still needs to focus on the roster longer term. If Pace can draft an OT who would be solid for many years to come, but not be a starter this year, hey, I'm 100% fine with that. It is (I totally agree) a tough balance. 2020 matters, but at the same time there is also a longer term roster need too. Now I don't know if there will be or won't be a long term OT available when we draft in the 2nd round. But if there is, then I'm fine drafting OT in the 2nd round even if he doesn't start for a year.
How the heck are we gonna get OJ Howard? With what draft capital in trade? You think Tom Brady is gonna stand for Tampa trading away one of his top weapons?
LOL, good point. I've just been surfing through our threads and saw a post mentioning OJ Howard... and I thought that sounded pretty good
How the heck are we gonna get OJ Howard? With what draft capital in trade? You think Tom Brady is gonna stand for Tampa trading away one of his top weapons?
LOL, good point. I've just been surfing through our threads and saw a post mentioning OJ Howard... and I thought that sounded pretty good
:-)
He's entering the 4th and final year of his rookie contract. So what are we gonna trade away for a player with only one season left before he hits FA? Are we gonna extend him as part of the deal? Why would he agree to that rather than bet on himself having a good season in 2020 and making big $$$ in FA next year?
LOL, good point. I've just been surfing through our threads and saw a post mentioning OJ Howard... and I thought that sounded pretty good
:-)
He's entering the 4th and final year of his rookie contract. So what are we gonna trade away for a player with only one season left before he hits FA? Are we gonna extend him as part of the deal? Why would he agree to that rather than bet on himself having a good season in 2020 and making big $$$ in FA next year?
This seems like pie-in-the-sky stuff to me.
You mean he'd rather have Tom Brady throwing to him instead of coming to the Bears mighty offensive juggernaut with Mitch throwing to him? Blasphemy :-)
He's entering the 4th and final year of his rookie contract. So what are we gonna trade away for a player with only one season left before he hits FA? Are we gonna extend him as part of the deal? Why would he agree to that rather than bet on himself having a good season in 2020 and making big $$$ in FA next year?
This seems like pie-in-the-sky stuff to me.
You mean he'd rather have Tom Brady throwing to him instead of coming to the Bears mighty offensive juggernaut with Mitch throwing to him? Blasphemy :-)
LOL! Yeah, I doubt OJH wants to have his contract year defined by playing with a QB widely viewed as a bust. Not that he would have a no-trade clause in his contract but I'm sure Brady has a lot of influence and wouldn't sign off on trading away one of his established weapons.
LOL, good point. I've just been surfing through our threads and saw a post mentioning OJ Howard... and I thought that sounded pretty good
:-)
He's entering the 4th and final year of his rookie contract. So what are we gonna trade away for a player with only one season left before he hits FA? Are we gonna extend him as part of the deal? Why would he agree to that rather than bet on himself having a good season in 2020 and making big $$$ in FA next year?
This seems like pie-in-the-sky stuff to me.
I don't know if you saw how Arians utilized him...or didn't, as a better description. It was almost Martzlike.
He's entering the 4th and final year of his rookie contract. So what are we gonna trade away for a player with only one season left before he hits FA? Are we gonna extend him as part of the deal? Why would he agree to that rather than bet on himself having a good season in 2020 and making big $$$ in FA next year?
This seems like pie-in-the-sky stuff to me.
I don't know if you saw how Arians utilized him...or didn't, as a better description. It was almost Martzlike.
I know Arians' offense very well having watched it here in AZ. Yes, you are correct, he's not much of a TE-utilizer. Will that change with Brady under center now? I dunno
Quantity doesn’t equal quality. Eight dumpster fires and one aging vet does not make us anywhere close to set at the position. Holtz had a couple good catches and like everyone else was completely invisible otherwise. He’s third string upside just like every other TE on this roster not named Graham. I just want Shaheen healthy, he’s no messiah, but unlike the other seven balls of trash I think he can at least turn himself into a useful player that’s not just up because everyone else went down.
Our TE position is trash. Nine players or not - it’s trash and expecting a random 26 year old who has been trash or off the field completely isn’t hedging our bets, it’s just bad management. Give me the best talent we can get there early and cut the rest of the trash after they’re done being warm bodies in camp.
Where in what I posted did I say the tight end position was set? Graham however is not a dumpster fire. He wasn't a top 10 guy last year, but he was in 2016, 2017, and 2018...he's not a dumpster fire.
Where in my post did I call him a dumpster fire? He's the "aging vet" in that equation. Our TE talent blows, plain and simple.
Where in what I posted did I say the tight end position was set? Graham however is not a dumpster fire. He wasn't a top 10 guy last year, but he was in 2016, 2017, and 2018...he's not a dumpster fire.
Where in my post did I call him a dumpster fire? He's the "aging vet" in that equation. Our TE talent blows, plain and simple.
To me there are a couple inexplicable things about Graham: Why did he go from all-world to meh when he went from the Saints to the Seachickens? Thought was Seattle & Wilson did not know how to utilize a top tier receiving TE. ARodg & Green Bay have shown the ability to utilize such a TE. The thought was Jimmy could rekindle the #'s he had as a Saint. In this regard he was a huge disappointment for GB. It also disproved Wilson/Carroll did not know how to use a TE with Jimmy's skillset. Why would the Bears severely overpay for a TE that is maybe the worst blocking TE in the NFL whose biggest assett is that he stays on the field (health-drievn not productivity-driven)? It's as if the only game tape they had of him was that of their own... Jimmy's best game of the season. It feels like the Bears were at an auction and had another team raising the paddle pushing a team desperate for a healthy TE into a winning bid that was in a stratosphere no one would've predicted.
Slim pickens on the FA TE market. Actually if Slim Pickens were alive & Pace signed him to the league minimum I probably would have seen it as a wiser contractual signing than the Jimmy deal. Well, I hope Nick Foles makes Jimmy an All-Pro talent much like the great Drew Brees.