Quantity doesn’t equal quality. Eight dumpster fires and one aging vet does not make us anywhere close to set at the position. Holtz had a couple good catches and like everyone else was completely invisible otherwise. He’s third string upside just like every other TE on this roster not named Graham. I just want Shaheen healthy, he’s no messiah, but unlike the other seven balls of trash I think he can at least turn himself into a useful player that’s not just up because everyone else went down.
Our TE position is trash. Nine players or not - it’s trash and expecting a random 26 year old who has been trash or off the field completely isn’t hedging our bets, it’s just bad management. Give me the best talent we can get there early and cut the rest of the trash after they’re done being warm bodies in camp.
Bears didn't have quality or quantity last year. I'd prefer quality but I'll take quantity if that's all they can offer.
I wouldn't. A lot of crap is exactly that. Time for new blood with actual talent.
I gotta believe Pace has a plan to provide decent TE talent for this upcoming season. He'd be pretty ignorant to have a repeat of 2019. It's gonna be his 6th season. If he can't provide the very basics for an offense - people who can pass protect, run-block, catch footballs & yes, a decent TE unit - and a QB who can play at a high level... if these are a "fail" after 6 seasons here in Chicago then Pace isn't the guy we thought he was when he came to Chicago.
The offense was a total "fail" last season and the TE unit was a part of that. How ignorant (or just inept) would he be to not fix it in this 6th year here?
I gotta believe Pace has a plan to provide decent TE talent for this upcoming season. He'd be pretty ignorant to have a repeat of 2019. It's gonna be his 6th season. If he can't provide the very basics for an offense - people who can pass protect, run-block, catch footballs & yes, a decent TE unit - and a QB who can play at a high level... if these are a "fail" after 6 seasons here in Chicago then Pace isn't the guy we thought he was when he came to Chicago.
The offense was a total "fail" last season and the TE unit was a part of that. How ignorant (or just inept) would he be to not fix it in this 6th year here?
I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Unless Pace finds George Kittle 2.0 in this year draft (in a class considered to be weak at this point), it's not gonna get "fixed" this year.
Best we can hope for is halfway decent for 2020. This is gonna be a multi-year repair project.
We didn't get here all at once ya know. It was Marty Bennett being a wackjob, Zach Miller suffering a career-ending injury, Dion Sims failing miserably, Shaheen being a massive draft bust, and Trey Burton being made of glass. Ryan Pace's record at TE has left a lot to be desired.
It takes a village (of suck) to get to the point where you don't have a single TE on the roster with triple digit receiving yards.
I gotta believe Pace has a plan to provide decent TE talent for this upcoming season. He'd be pretty ignorant to have a repeat of 2019. It's gonna be his 6th season. If he can't provide the very basics for an offense - people who can pass protect, run-block, catch footballs & yes, a decent TE unit - and a QB who can play at a high level... if these are a "fail" after 6 seasons here in Chicago then Pace isn't the guy we thought he was when he came to Chicago.
The offense was a total "fail" last season and the TE unit was a part of that. How ignorant (or just inept) would he be to not fix it in this 6th year here?
Yes but each year there is only so much talent available. I don't think anyone would want him to mortgage the whole team's future just to try to fix a position. So it's not a matter of whether he wants to do it so much as it is a matter of whether he can do it.
No...because we are likely to miss out on an OT anyway since we don't have a first round pick. Give me a guy like OJ Howard in this offense and I think you'll see what it's capable of. The guy is a physical freak. As it is we just signed a tackle yesterday when we released Burton.
Don't get me wrong, I never questioned Howard's skills and as a matter of fact, I'd be very happy to have such a talented TE on the roster. However, if we don't fix the OL now, I'm afraid it won't matter how many studs we have on offense.
Besides, Howard is the kind of weapon you trade for when everything else has already been fixed and you're ready to make a SB run. We're not even close to being that kind of team.
I gotta believe Pace has a plan to provide decent TE talent for this upcoming season. He'd be pretty ignorant to have a repeat of 2019. It's gonna be his 6th season. If he can't provide the very basics for an offense - people who can pass protect, run-block, catch footballs & yes, a decent TE unit - and a QB who can play at a high level... if these are a "fail" after 6 seasons here in Chicago then Pace isn't the guy we thought he was when he came to Chicago.
The offense was a total "fail" last season and the TE unit was a part of that. How ignorant (or just inept) would he be to not fix it in this 6th year here?
Yes but each year there is only so much talent available. I don't think anyone would want him to mortgage the whole team's future just to try to fix a position. So it's not a matter of whether he wants to do it so much as it is a matter of whether he can do it.
I understand. And I totally agree with you. And hopefully we see a 2020 offense that performs better than the clown shows of the past. But 6 years is long enough to build an offense better than what we witnessed in 2019. I think that is reasonable to expect after 6 years.
I gotta believe Pace has a plan to provide decent TE talent for this upcoming season. He'd be pretty ignorant to have a repeat of 2019. It's gonna be his 6th season. If he can't provide the very basics for an offense - people who can pass protect, run-block, catch footballs & yes, a decent TE unit - and a QB who can play at a high level... if these are a "fail" after 6 seasons here in Chicago then Pace isn't the guy we thought he was when he came to Chicago.
The offense was a total "fail" last season and the TE unit was a part of that. How ignorant (or just inept) would he be to not fix it in this 6th year here?
I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Unless Pace finds George Kittle 2.0 in this year draft (in a class considered to be weak at this point), it's not gonna get "fixed" this year.
Best we can hope for is halfway decent for 2020. This is gonna be a multi-year repair project.
We didn't get here all at once ya know. It was Marty Bennett being a wackjob, Zach Miller suffering a career-ending injury, Dion Sims failing miserably, Shaheen being a massive draft bust, and Trey Burton being made of glass. Ryan Pace's record at TE has left a lot to be desired.
It takes a village (of suck) to get to the point where you don't have a single TE on the roster with triple digit receiving yards.
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Poor choice of words on my part. I should have used improved or something more like that. Not fixed.
There's still 9 tight ends on the roster. We won't have 9 tight ends come the start of the season. They signed Graham and Demetrious Harris this offseason. You've got JP Holtz who showed flashes last season, they signed Darion Clark, they brought back Braunk...I mean I can't see why anyone thinks it a fait accompli that Shaheen is a lock on this roster.
Quantity doesn’t equal quality. Eight dumpster fires and one aging vet does not make us anywhere close to set at the position. Holtz had a couple good catches and like everyone else was completely invisible otherwise. He’s third string upside just like every other TE on this roster not named Graham. I just want Shaheen healthy, he’s no messiah, but unlike the other seven balls of trash I think he can at least turn himself into a useful player that’s not just up because everyone else went down.
Our TE position is trash. Nine players or not - it’s trash and expecting a random 26 year old who has been trash or off the field completely isn’t hedging our bets, it’s just bad management. Give me the best talent we can get there early and cut the rest of the trash after they’re done being warm bodies in camp.
Where in what I posted did I say the tight end position was set? Graham however is not a dumpster fire. He wasn't a top 10 guy last year, but he was in 2016, 2017, and 2018...he's not a dumpster fire.
No...because we are likely to miss out on an OT anyway since we don't have a first round pick. Give me a guy like OJ Howard in this offense and I think you'll see what it's capable of. The guy is a physical freak. As it is we just signed a tackle yesterday when we released Burton.
Don't get me wrong, I never questioned Howard's skills and as a matter of fact, I'd be very happy to have such a talented TE on the roster. However, if we don't fix the OL now, I'm afraid it won't matter how many studs we have on offense.
Besides, Howard is the kind of weapon you trade for when everything else has already been fixed and you're ready to make a SB run. We're not even close to being that kind of team.
If your opinion is we aren't close to being a team ready to make a SB run than you think 2018 was an abberation and 2019 is what we really are, which was 8-8. I think the moves this team has made in the off season means they are trying to go all in on winning in the near term. Trading for Mack, signing robert quinn, etc.
I agree about fixing the o-line, but my point was, and continues to be, that there isn't going to be a tackle available in the second round that would be able to come in and replace either of our starting tackles. I think Pace's moves this off season back that up. One way to help the offensive line is to have weapons that stress the defense. I think we might see that happen in the draft.
And give up yet another precious pick? I hope not. Unless we find a way to give them Cohen and nothing else.
But even if that happened, then we would need another RB, which would be okay if we were to land Jonathan Taylor. But then we would probably miss out on an OT.
See where I'm going w/ this? haha
No...because we are likely to miss out on an OT anyway since we don't have a first round pick. Give me a guy like OJ Howard in this offense and I think you'll see what it's capable of. The guy is a physical freak. As it is we just signed a tackle yesterday when we released Burton.
I do agree that OJ Howard would be a difference maker in this offense. I'd be thrilled if we signed him. That being said, I am also fine drafting an OT who would not start until 2021. This is just my thinking here so it's just one meatball fan's take, but my feeling is that 2020 is not an all-or-nothing season and Pace still needs to focus on the roster longer term. If Pace can draft an OT who would be solid for many years to come, but not be a starter this year, hey, I'm 100% fine with that. It is (I totally agree) a tough balance. 2020 matters, but at the same time there is also a longer term roster need too. Now I don't know if there will be or won't be a long term OT available when we draft in the 2nd round. But if there is, then I'm fine drafting OT in the 2nd round even if he doesn't start for a year.