And the only QB they have traded for a pick equal to or above his draft position was JimmyG. ( Might not be remembering this last one correctly, did the research a few years ago. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong, which according to my wife is almost all the time.)
They traded 3rd rounder Jacoby Brissett to the Colts after 1 season. They picked up Phillip Dorsett a 1st round pick about to begin his 3rd season. NE still has Dorsett on the roster. Not a great player like a lot of NE players he fits a role.
Regarding the Jimmy Garoppolo trade it was one heck of a chess match of moves:
LINK In total, New England made 10 moves that involved at least one asset originating from the Garoppolo trade, netting six players:
CB Duke Dawson LB Christian Sam CB Joejuan Williams RB Damien Harris T Yodny Cajuste QB Jarrett Stidham
Oh, and the book still isn't closed on this trade, as the Patriots have the Bears' fourth-rounder in next year's draft.
The jury is still out on all of these players, but if any go on to make significant contributions -- if, say, Stidham becomes Tom Brady heir apparent -- credit goes to Bill Belichick for squeezing every last ounce out of the Jimmy G trade.
In the last 10 drafts they've drafted 6 QBs:
Jarrett Stidham Danny Etling Jacoby Brissett Jimmy Garoppolo Ryan Mallett Zac Robinson
Reports are he get FT'd. If he gets FT'd he isn't making 30+ mil a year from anyone, and it isn't even an option.
What do they do? Trade for a guy like Carr who will cost 15-17 mil less a year and put up similar numbers and give you the ability to put that extra 15-17 mil into keeping other players on the team every year, OR bring in FA help. Dak is not 2-3 players on your team better then Carr, but his contract will reflect that. Dak is a sub .500 qb in the playoffs, why the hell would you pay him similar to Russel Wilson, Big Ben or Aaron Rogers, all who have at least 1 SB win?
You know what you end up w/doing that? The Rams who paid Goff that kind of money and no playoffs last year and a .500 playoff record. Matt Ryan, sub .500 playoff record and no playoffs last 2 years. Cousins, sub .500 playoff record, at least got in this year though. Stafford, 0 playoff wins, Brissett, 0 appearences, Carr 0 apperences, Wentz, 0 playoff wins only 1 appereance. Of the non SB winning qb's getting paid this kind of cash Only Jimmy G has an above .500 record in the playoffs.
LOL ya lets pay top dollar to a not top qb and watch as for the next 4 years any shot of a SB sink into oblivion b/c "market value"
Thats what you get for paying "market value" for an average qb, mired in the mud of little to no playoffs, and when you get there losing early and often. So What does Dallas do? If they are smart, FT Dak, and draft his replacement and get a vet in just in case the rookie struggles. LOL market value. Following in the footsteps of morons is no way to run your company.
Constantly re-inventing the wheel here. The FT costs $27M this year (minimum, before Mahomes drives it higher).
Usually, not always but USUALLY, a team uses the FT to stop a player from leaving in FA and to buy them more time to work out a long-term deal. If Dallas does FT him, they will probably work out a deal with him by Labor Day.
If they spend their 1st round pick on a QB, then maybe I'll believe you. Otherwise, Dak is their QB going forward one way or the other.
27 mil for 1 yr, is not the same as 30-35mil over multiple years. You keep acting like the FT is some kind of great thing for the player and they are anxious to get it b/c of all that fat loots. They could draft a qb this year, or next year. Nothing says they have to have Dak on the team to draft their qb, actually you don't tend to see that very often.
Their qb going forward for this year; unless their is a deal done(we agree on that). Which again, if it's north of 20+ mil they will regret as Dak isn't so good he can carry the O on his own, and that longterm contract is going to hamstring the team going forward. Just like Ryan, Stafford, Wentz...well I've gone over all that already. I know why you ignored it, b/c it made irrefutable point, but it is what it is.
Regardless of what or why, or what that conctract is, it's not likely to be 30-35 or they would just give it to him now wouldn't they? Why FT him, go through all the hardcore negotiations and pissed off feelings if you are just going to give him the contract he wants regardless?
Give a qb that isn't special, special qb money and your team regrets it in the long run. Rogers, Wilson, Big Ben all EARNED those contracts w/SB runs, Mahomes Watson are going to earn those contracts b/c of playoff/SB runs. Give guys like Wentz, Carr, Dak, Ryan, Stafford, all good, but not special qb's, that kind of money and your teams playoff runs grind to a halt. Its why I said Tru won't/shouldn't get a fact contract like this even if he does have a great year next year.
You don't throw "market value" of a position at every player that is a starter. There are guys that are special, guys that are good and guys that need replaced. What is market value for a special player isn't market value for the others.
Usually, not always but USUALLY, a team uses the FT to stop a player from leaving in FA and to buy them more time to work out a long-term deal. If Dallas does FT him, they will probably work out a deal with him by Labor Day.
If they spend their 1st round pick on a QB, then maybe I'll believe you. Otherwise, Dak is their QB going forward one way or the other.
27 mil for 1 yr, is not the same as 30-35mil over multiple years. You keep acting like the FT is some kind of great thing for the player and they are anxious to get it b/c of all that fat loots. They could draft a qb this year, or next year. Nothing says they have to have Dak on the team to draft their qb, actually you don't tend to see that very often.
Their qb going forward for this year; unless their is a deal done(we agree on that). Which again, if it's north of 20+ mil they will regret as Dak isn't so good he can carry the O on his own, and that longterm contract is going to hamstring the team going forward. Just like Ryan, Stafford, Wentz...well I've gone over all that already. I know why you ignored it, b/c it made irrefutable point, but it is what it is.
Regardless of what or why, or what that conctract is, it's not likely to be 30-35 or they would just give it to him now wouldn't they? Why FT him, go through all the hardcore negotiations and pissed off feelings if you are just going to give him the contract he wants regardless?
Give a qb that isn't special, special qb money and your team regrets it in the long run. Rogers, Wilson, Big Ben all EARNED those contracts w/SB runs, Mahomes Watson are going to earn those contracts b/c of playoff/SB runs. Give guys like Wentz, Carr, Dak, Ryan, Stafford, all good, but not special qb's, that kind of money and your teams playoff runs grind to a halt. Its why I said Tru won't/shouldn't get a fact contract like this even if he does have a great year next year.
You don't throw "market value" of a position at every player that is a starter. There are guys that are special, guys that are good and guys that need replaced. What is market value for a special player isn't market value for the others.
It appears Dak is about to get the monster contract I predicted: #realitymarketvalueQB
Usually, not always but USUALLY, a team uses the FT to stop a player from leaving in FA and to buy them more time to work out a long-term deal. If Dallas does FT him, they will probably work out a deal with him by Labor Day.
If they spend their 1st round pick on a QB, then maybe I'll believe you. Otherwise, Dak is their QB going forward one way or the other.
27 mil for 1 yr, is not the same as 30-35mil over multiple years. You keep acting like the FT is some kind of great thing for the player and they are anxious to get it b/c of all that fat loots. They could draft a qb this year, or next year. Nothing says they have to have Dak on the team to draft their qb, actually you don't tend to see that very often.
Their qb going forward for this year; unless their is a deal done(we agree on that). Which again, if it's north of 20+ mil they will regret as Dak isn't so good he can carry the O on his own, and that longterm contract is going to hamstring the team going forward. Just like Ryan, Stafford, Wentz...well I've gone over all that already. I know why you ignored it, b/c it made irrefutable point, but it is what it is.
Regardless of what or why, or what that conctract is, it's not likely to be 30-35 or they would just give it to him now wouldn't they? Why FT him, go through all the hardcore negotiations and pissed off feelings if you are just going to give him the contract he wants regardless?
Give a qb that isn't special, special qb money and your team regrets it in the long run. Rogers, Wilson, Big Ben all EARNED those contracts w/SB runs, Mahomes Watson are going to earn those contracts b/c of playoff/SB runs. Give guys like Wentz, Carr, Dak, Ryan, Stafford, all good, but not special qb's, that kind of money and your teams playoff runs grind to a halt. Its why I said Tru won't/shouldn't get a fact contract like this even if he does have a great year next year.
You don't throw "market value" of a position at every player that is a starter. There are guys that are special, guys that are good and guys that need replaced. What is market value for a special player isn't market value for the others.
The market is always going to go up ric. What's seen as average now will be cheap later on. Of course guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben, and even Wentz ( Who took his team to the playoffs with even worst weapons than the Bears ) will get big contracts.
Dak reportly turn down a 30 million dollar a year offer from the Cowboys...
The market for an average QB is far higher than a market for a Inside Linebacker for an example. Kirk Cousins is making 31 million this year. If he has yet another year similar to 2019 look out for a 34-37 million dollar contract going his way. QBs are far harder to replace which will only drive up their cost...
Trubisky won't get paid because he's not a very good QB. He's a serviceable backup at best.
I take Carr, Dak, Ryan, or even Stafford over him...
27 mil for 1 yr, is not the same as 30-35mil over multiple years. You keep acting like the FT is some kind of great thing for the player and they are anxious to get it b/c of all that fat loots. They could draft a qb this year, or next year. Nothing says they have to have Dak on the team to draft their qb, actually you don't tend to see that very often.
Their qb going forward for this year; unless their is a deal done(we agree on that). Which again, if it's north of 20+ mil they will regret as Dak isn't so good he can carry the O on his own, and that longterm contract is going to hamstring the team going forward. Just like Ryan, Stafford, Wentz...well I've gone over all that already. I know why you ignored it, b/c it made irrefutable point, but it is what it is.
Regardless of what or why, or what that conctract is, it's not likely to be 30-35 or they would just give it to him now wouldn't they? Why FT him, go through all the hardcore negotiations and pissed off feelings if you are just going to give him the contract he wants regardless?
Give a qb that isn't special, special qb money and your team regrets it in the long run. Rogers, Wilson, Big Ben all EARNED those contracts w/SB runs, Mahomes Watson are going to earn those contracts b/c of playoff/SB runs. Give guys like Wentz, Carr, Dak, Ryan, Stafford, all good, but not special qb's, that kind of money and your teams playoff runs grind to a halt. Its why I said Tru won't/shouldn't get a fact contract like this even if he does have a great year next year.
You don't throw "market value" of a position at every player that is a starter. There are guys that are special, guys that are good and guys that need replaced. What is market value for a special player isn't market value for the others.
It appears Dak is about to get the monster contract I predicted: #realitymarketvalueQB
Anyone can of predicted it. I don't see how Ric can deny the market value of the QB position. With the rules heavily favoring QBs and the reality of it being super hard to find an average one. The prices are going to skyrocket.
The cowboys choice was either:
Pay Dak or pray they can draft a QB similar to his production but face reality in 4 years of having to pay that QB even more money than you would of payed Dak...
27 mil for 1 yr, is not the same as 30-35mil over multiple years. You keep acting like the FT is some kind of great thing for the player and they are anxious to get it b/c of all that fat loots. They could draft a qb this year, or next year. Nothing says they have to have Dak on the team to draft their qb, actually you don't tend to see that very often.
Their qb going forward for this year; unless their is a deal done(we agree on that). Which again, if it's north of 20+ mil they will regret as Dak isn't so good he can carry the O on his own, and that longterm contract is going to hamstring the team going forward. Just like Ryan, Stafford, Wentz...well I've gone over all that already. I know why you ignored it, b/c it made irrefutable point, but it is what it is.
Regardless of what or why, or what that conctract is, it's not likely to be 30-35 or they would just give it to him now wouldn't they? Why FT him, go through all the hardcore negotiations and pissed off feelings if you are just going to give him the contract he wants regardless?
Give a qb that isn't special, special qb money and your team regrets it in the long run. Rogers, Wilson, Big Ben all EARNED those contracts w/SB runs, Mahomes Watson are going to earn those contracts b/c of playoff/SB runs. Give guys like Wentz, Carr, Dak, Ryan, Stafford, all good, but not special qb's, that kind of money and your teams playoff runs grind to a halt. Its why I said Tru won't/shouldn't get a fact contract like this even if he does have a great year next year.
You don't throw "market value" of a position at every player that is a starter. There are guys that are special, guys that are good and guys that need replaced. What is market value for a special player isn't market value for the others.
The market is always going to go up ric. What's seen as average now will be cheap later on. Of course guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben, and even Wentz ( Who took his team to the playoffs with even worst weapons than the Bears ) will get big contracts.
Dak reportly turn down a 30 million dollar a year offer from the Cowboys...
The market for an average QB is far higher than a market for a Inside Linebacker for an example. Kirk Cousins is making 31 million this year. If he has yet another year similar to 2019 look out for a 34-37 million dollar contract going his way. QBs are far harder to replace which will only drive up their cost...
Trubisky won't get paid because he's not a very good QB. He's a serviceable backup at best.
I take Carr, Dak, Ryan, or even Stafford over him...
Ya I have no doubt you would take any of those guys over them. Which is why I'm glad your not the GM, this place would be in perpectual termoil. To be fair, I'm glad none of us are for the same reasons. Stafford is flat bad and proven it, Ryan is a choke artist and proven it, Carr cannot lead a team to a playoff after 6 years, Dak can at least get you there, but he's not going anywhere once he's in the playoffs, just like Rivers.
Never take someone elses trash, it costs a ton and it rarely(not always) works out well. We tried this w/cutler for a decade and got 1 playoff and 1 win for it.
Again, we have seen in the past contract course corrections, we saw it specifically in RB's in the mid 2000's. Don't say they only ever go up, they don't. Thinking notthing ever changes is a really good way of never looking into the future and missing the turn.
The market is always going to go up ric. What's seen as average now will be cheap later on. Of course guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben, and even Wentz ( Who took his team to the playoffs with even worst weapons than the Bears ) will get big contracts.
Dak reportly turn down a 30 million dollar a year offer from the Cowboys...
The market for an average QB is far higher than a market for a Inside Linebacker for an example. Kirk Cousins is making 31 million this year. If he has yet another year similar to 2019 look out for a 34-37 million dollar contract going his way. QBs are far harder to replace which will only drive up their cost...
Trubisky won't get paid because he's not a very good QB. He's a serviceable backup at best.
I take Carr, Dak, Ryan, or even Stafford over him...
Ya I have no doubt you would take any of those guys over them. Which is why I'm glad your not the GM, this place would be in perpectual termoil. To be fair, I'm glad none of us are for the same reasons. Stafford is flat bad and proven it, Ryan is a choke artist and proven it, Carr cannot lead a team to a playoff after 6 years, Dak can at least get you there, but he's not going anywhere once he's in the playoffs, just like Rivers.
Never take someone elses trash, it costs a ton and it rarely(not always) works out well. We tried this w/cutler for a decade and got 1 playoff and 1 win for it.
Again, we have seen in the past contract course corrections, we saw it specifically in RB's in the mid 2000's. Don't say they only ever go up, they don't. Thinking notthing ever changes is a really good way of never looking into the future and missing the turn.
That's when the NFL was translating into a more pass happy league. The way the rules are set in favor of the QBs makes any average joe far more valuable than any other position. Contracts are not going to self correct anytime soon. Only once we translate into a different era of Football. One that isn't so pass happy.
You name Ryan as a choke artist but he lead his team to a Super Bowl and would of won it if it wasn't for horrible coaching. That same coach cost the 49ers a ring... He was also MVP for that year. He has a 94.6 rating. That's 10 higher than Trubisky...
Carr has been on a shitty Raiders team since he started the NFL. He lead the team to a 12-4 record during the 2016 season and if it wasn't for injury things might of been different...
Matt Stafford before injury had 19 TDs - 5 Ints with a 106 rating. He was having a great year. He might be average but he lead the Lions to more playoffs years than we had in the past 10 years... 3 playoff years towards our 2 playoff years... Our only 2 years we made it to the playoffs was do to our elite defenses...
27 mil for 1 yr, is not the same as 30-35mil over multiple years. You keep acting like the FT is some kind of great thing for the player and they are anxious to get it b/c of all that fat loots. They could draft a qb this year, or next year. Nothing says they have to have Dak on the team to draft their qb, actually you don't tend to see that very often.
Their qb going forward for this year; unless their is a deal done(we agree on that). Which again, if it's north of 20+ mil they will regret as Dak isn't so good he can carry the O on his own, and that longterm contract is going to hamstring the team going forward. Just like Ryan, Stafford, Wentz...well I've gone over all that already. I know why you ignored it, b/c it made irrefutable point, but it is what it is.
Regardless of what or why, or what that conctract is, it's not likely to be 30-35 or they would just give it to him now wouldn't they? Why FT him, go through all the hardcore negotiations and pissed off feelings if you are just going to give him the contract he wants regardless?
Give a qb that isn't special, special qb money and your team regrets it in the long run. Rogers, Wilson, Big Ben all EARNED those contracts w/SB runs, Mahomes Watson are going to earn those contracts b/c of playoff/SB runs. Give guys like Wentz, Carr, Dak, Ryan, Stafford, all good, but not special qb's, that kind of money and your teams playoff runs grind to a halt. Its why I said Tru won't/shouldn't get a fact contract like this even if he does have a great year next year.
You don't throw "market value" of a position at every player that is a starter. There are guys that are special, guys that are good and guys that need replaced. What is market value for a special player isn't market value for the others.
It appears Dak is about to get the monster contract I predicted: #realitymarketvalueQB
Quote if what Dak wants is 30-35 mil he would have taken the offer already as this claims the Cowboys offerd him 33.
And again, don't follow in the footsteps of morons, Dallas has a worse track record then the bears in recent history. Both in the draft and in wins/getting to the playoffs.
btw, I wanted the Bears to take Dak in that draft, I like the guy, but he's not worth top 5 qb money, in no way shape for form is that a good contract for Dallas. I wouldn't pay him that anymore then I would have paid Goff or Wentz that kind of money, and it will lead to the same downfall for Dallas as it did for the Rams/Philly.
Even if he does get that money, it doesn't change that teams are walking away from their qb's, Rivers, Cam, Winston, Marriota, according to reports Tenn hasn't decided on if they'll pursue Tannehill, NO's is unique b/c both qbs are guys they would likely want to stay, but its going to be a chore to do that, one likely hits FA. And again the rumors of Carr/Stafford are out there(rumors mind you). Teams aren't just rolling w/their qb anymore just b/c they are "franchise qb". They are willing to move on if they aren't producing playoffs/wins.
The market is always going to go up ric. What's seen as average now will be cheap later on. Of course guys like Rodgers, Wilson, Big Ben, and even Wentz ( Who took his team to the playoffs with even worst weapons than the Bears ) will get big contracts.
Dak reportly turn down a 30 million dollar a year offer from the Cowboys...
The market for an average QB is far higher than a market for a Inside Linebacker for an example. Kirk Cousins is making 31 million this year. If he has yet another year similar to 2019 look out for a 34-37 million dollar contract going his way. QBs are far harder to replace which will only drive up their cost...
Trubisky won't get paid because he's not a very good QB. He's a serviceable backup at best.
I take Carr, Dak, Ryan, or even Stafford over him...
Ya I have no doubt you would take any of those guys over them. Which is why I'm glad your not the GM, this place would be in perpectual termoil. To be fair, I'm glad none of us are for the same reasons. Stafford is flat bad and proven it, Ryan is a choke artist and proven it, Carr cannot lead a team to a playoff after 6 years, Dak can at least get you there, but he's not going anywhere once he's in the playoffs, just like Rivers.
Never take someone elses trash, it costs a ton and it rarely(not always) works out well. We tried this w/cutler for a decade and got 1 playoff and 1 win for it.
Again, we have seen in the past contract course corrections, we saw it specifically in RB's in the mid 2000's. Don't say they only ever go up, they don't. Thinking notthing ever changes is a really good way of never looking into the future and missing the turn.
By your definition, only a QB who has won a SB is worth paying. Everyone else is "trash". By that definition, Russell Wilson barely qualifies as "worth paying" since his only SB win was almost entirely due to a defense that was one of the best units ever assembled in the last 20 years. The Seattle D defeated Denver and won that SB pretty much all by itself (much like the '85 Bears D did). In both cases a DEFENSIVE player was named SB MVP which is a rarity.
Reality is quite different. Very few QBs are ever gonna be considered "elite" at any point in the NFL. The 3 that recently have been thought of that way (Brady, Brees, Rodgers) are all starting to decline. 2 of those 3 have won ONLY ONE SB in their entire careers spanning 15+ years.
The idea that a QB has to be clearly "elite" and have won at least one SB before his rookie contract expires or he's "trash" not worth paying flies in the face of supply and demand.
Would I love to have a QB like Mahomes who's won a SB and whose rookie-contract career thus far is already on a HOF-trajectory? Hell YES, sign me up! I'd love to see it. But the Bears haven't been able to draft and develop even a halfway decent QB in many decades. If I had more confidence in their ability to do so that would sure be nice.
Most teams don't have the luxury of an all-or-none situation at QB. Most teams didn't draft Mahomes or Rodgers or Brady. Most teams are left with looking for a QB that is good enough to win with, even if he hasn't "won the big one" yet. Simple reality.
Dak, for instance, is a good enough QB to give you a shot at winning with the right pieces around him. That's why he is gonna get paid and Dallas isn't gonna let him walk away. I wish I felt like the Bears had a QB "good enough to win with". I haven't felt that way in a long, long time.
Quote if what Dak wants is 30-35 mil he would have taken the offer already as this claims the Cowboys offerd him 33.
And again, don't follow in the footsteps of morons, Dallas has a worse track record then the bears in recent history. Both in the draft and in wins/getting to the playoffs.
btw, I wanted the Bears to take Dak in that draft, I like the guy, but he's not worth top 5 qb money, in no way shape for form is that a good contract for Dallas. I wouldn't pay him that anymore then I would have paid Goff or Wentz that kind of money, and it will lead to the same downfall for Dallas as it did for the Rams/Philly.
Even if he does get that money, it doesn't change that teams are walking away from their qb's, Rivers, Cam, Winston, Marriota, according to reports Tenn hasn't decided on if they'll pursue Tannehill, NO's is unique b/c both qbs are guys they would likely want to stay, but its going to be a chore to do that, one likely hits FA. And again the rumors of Carr/Stafford are out there(rumors mind you). Teams aren't just rolling w/their qb anymore just b/c they are "franchise qb". They are willing to move on if they aren't producing playoffs/wins.
You must be joking.
The Bears (sad to say) have been near the bottom of the barrel of the NFL for 25+ years in terms of the QB position. They made the playoffs a couple times due mostly to defense but only got to the NFCCG twice. Their one SB appearance was almost entirely due to a great defense, solid running game, and otherworldly STs with Hester scoring TDs left and right on returns.
Dallas in that time has had Aikman, Romo, and Dak--all 3 of whom are better than the crap the Bears have trotted out there (Grossman, Cutler, Trub).
The Bears aren't in any position to be turning their noses up at anyone. Their track record at QB is beyond pathetic.