Nagy, but in 2019 I think aliens from outer space did some kind of brain swap thing with him, the OL, Trubisky & others on offense. It could be somehow connected with the Russians I think :-)
Could be. Just saw the episode of the original star trek where aliens stole Spock's brain. I doubt the russkies could do it though. Maybe billicheat?
LOL. I think you're on to something Shark! Or maybe it is one grand conspiracy here involving Billicheat working for the russkies, who are being tools of the space aliens who took Spock's brain... and somehow we must tie it all in to Trubisky though - because everyone knows it is all Trubisky's fault, right?
Or, maybe I blame it all on Jerry Angelo. I have that sneaky suspicion he may be the mastermind behind it all.
I guess I pseudo-saw when Nagy threw the ball 51 times in a one-score game week 1. They must have been pseudo-passes.
Stop it, MP. Haven't you heard? Nagy is absolutely off limits. Don't you dare criticize or even question the chosen one. He's a brilliant coach who never does anything wrong.
Only dumbass pseudo-intellectual fans would ever come up w/ the idea that he may be part of the problem. All hail Coach Nagy!
1. It's pretty obvious when people don't execute their assignment and the play fails. When an OL misses a block, the QB misses an open receiver, the TE/WR can't get separation, these are all pretty good signs it's the fault of the player's execution. Again and again last year you could see this on any game's film.
2. "Bad playcalling" is easily one of the lamest fan criticisms. It's pseudo-intellectual garbage that people think makes them sound smart. It's Captain Hindsight at it's worst.
3. And you still haven't explained who should take over the role and why that would be so much better than Nagy making the calls. And yes the O could be much worse. Change for the sake of change is stupid and often counter productive.
1. When did I ever claim the players were blameless? No one here is saying it's all Mitch or all Nagy. The sad truth is the entire offense is/was one giant clusterf*ck. But that doesn't mean Nagy isn't part of the problem. After all it's his team, he's the boss. He's the one responsible for whatever happens on the field. This is why rebuilding teams always start by firing the coach instead of players because it's easier to replace one coach than cutting half the team when they underperform.
2. It really isn't. You don't need to be a professional NFL player or executive to know when something is clearly not working. But hey, if you're happy w/ our offensive performance last season, that's okay, too. I don't judge. I just have a different opinion.
3. Yes, I kinda did. I suggested giving the job to our new OC. However, I never said he would be better and more successful, either. In fact what I said was: "Is the new OC magically gonna fix everything? Of course not. But we sure have nothing to lose because it's not like we could do any worse on O." Got it this time?
But you're right, though. Technically we could do worse. We could be dead last in every category instead of being 29th in PTS/G, 29th in YDS/G, 27th in rushing YPG, 25th in passing YDS/G. Sure, let's pretend that those numbers are perfectly acceptable and Nagy did a fine job in year two.
What worked more often than not in 2018 did not work very often in 2019.
I agree poor player execution was a major problem but even Nagy himself has admitted he has work to do. He said it himself.
Exactly!
Which is why I've always said that if I had to choose between Nagy or Mitch, I'd go w/ the latter. Call me crazy but I refuse to believe that somehow Mitch lost all his talent in one offseason. He was a pretty decent QB in 2018 and we all saw what he's capable of. We practically had the exact same offense as in 2018 but somehow, nothing seemed to work. Why's that?
Because back in 2018, all the other teams and no film and no idea how to prepare for this new team. Everything went well. 12-4. Playoffs. Coach of the year.
And then came 2019. Same offense, same players, same coach.
The only difference was, teams had simply started figuring out Nagy's very predictable playbook.
Post by brasilbear on Feb 26, 2020 15:50:00 GMT -6
Wait....so the WRs were bad and they need to upgrade. And the TEs were bad and they need to upgrade. And the OL was bad, and they need to upgrade. And the playcalling was bad so Nagy needs to give it up. And Mitch was bad but he can't be blamed because it wasn't his fault.
Wait....so the WRs were bad and they need to upgrade. And the TEs were bad and they need to upgrade. And the OL was bad, and they need to upgrade. And the playcalling was bad so Nagy needs to give it up. And Mitch was bad but he can't be blamed because it wasn't his fault.
Got it. Carry on.
I'm in that category of "All of the Above" contributed to the train wreck season. Mitch too. I definitely get it that we give varying weight to each of the contributing factors. I don't claim to know. But I do believe there is a lot that needs to improve - Mitch, Nagy, skill players, OL players, Pace. Mitch will or will not improve this year and if he doesn't he'll be gone. The Bears will trot out their 40th+ starting QB (think about that one for a minute) and the new guy will probably fail too. It's hard for me to get my head around that number - over 40 starting QBs who've failed here in Chicago in the Super Bowl era. Is it all on the QB? I think not. It's like we have no clue here as to how to build and sustain a rock solid offense. It's like asking circus monkeys to perform successful open heart surgery... it's just not in their wheelhouse. At least not for the Chicago Bears.
EDIT: Circus monkeys... hmmm. Maybe that's the answer here.
Wait....so the WRs were bad and they need to upgrade. And the TEs were bad and they need to upgrade. And the OL was bad, and they need to upgrade. And the playcalling was bad so Nagy needs to give it up. And Mitch was bad but he can't be blamed because it wasn't his fault.
Got it. Carry on.
Who said Tru was good last year and doesn't need competition, and who said it wasn't his fault? I'll wait. B/C no one said that. People said he was PART of, not THE, as some have stated.
Was the OL good last year? Tru had less then 3 seconds to throw on average, one of the worst in the league. Was the TE's that were healthy good last year? UDFA Rookies out there making a difference game in and out? Did the WR's struggle to get lined up and run the right routes? (ie not having to be told by Tru or Robinson where to line up, did they not in multiple games run into eachother on plays?)
Not everyone thinks Nagy's playcalling was a problem and needs to give it up, a few do.
What worked more often than not in 2018 did not work very often in 2019.
I agree poor player execution was a major problem but even Nagy himself has admitted he has work to do. He said it himself.
Exactly!
Which is why I've always said that if I had to choose between Nagy or Mitch, I'd go w/ the latter. Call me crazy but I refuse to believe that somehow Mitch lost all his talent in one offseason. He was a pretty decent QB in 2018 and we all saw what he's capable of. We practically had the exact same offense as in 2018 but somehow, nothing seemed to work. Why's that?
Because back in 2018, all the other teams and no film and no idea how to prepare for this new team. Everything went well. 12-4. Playoffs. Coach of the year.
And then came 2019. Same offense, same players, same coach.
The only difference was, teams had simply started figuring out Nagy's very predictable playbook.
Hold on...this no film thing that you and MP and some others have said is just false. There are 16 games in a season...did the NFL not get any film on the Bears until after the season ended? Stop it. They had film...the team was better Nagy's first year than it was last year...specifically on the o-line.
I guess I pseudo-saw when Nagy threw the ball 51 times in a one-score game week 1. They must have been pseudo-passes.
Stop it, MP. Haven't you heard? Nagy is absolutely off limits. Don't you dare criticize or even question the chosen one. He's a brilliant coach who never does anything wrong.
Only dumbass pseudo-intellectual fans would ever come up w/ the idea that he may be part of the problem. All hail Coach Nagy!
What do I know....I had too many pseudo-beers at that game.
1. It's pretty obvious when people don't execute their assignment and the play fails. When an OL misses a block, the QB misses an open receiver, the TE/WR can't get separation, these are all pretty good signs it's the fault of the player's execution. Again and again last year you could see this on any game's film.
2. "Bad playcalling" is easily one of the lamest fan criticisms. It's pseudo-intellectual garbage that people think makes them sound smart. It's Captain Hindsight at it's worst.
3. And you still haven't explained who should take over the role and why that would be so much better than Nagy making the calls. And yes the O could be much worse. Change for the sake of change is stupid and often counter productive.
1. When did I ever claim the players were blameless? No one here is saying it's all Mitch or all Nagy. The sad truth is the entire offense is/was one giant clusterf*ck. But that doesn't mean Nagy isn't part of the problem. After all it's his team, he's the boss. He's the one responsible for whatever happens on the field. This is why rebuilding teams always start by firing the coach instead of players because it's easier to replace one coach than cutting half the team when they underperform.
2. It really isn't. You don't need to be a professional NFL player or executive to know when something is clearly not working. But hey, if you're happy w/ our offensive performance last season, that's okay, too. I don't judge. I just have a different opinion.
3. Yes, I kinda did. I suggested giving the job to our new OC. However, I never said he would be better and more successful, either. In fact what I said was: "Is the new OC magically gonna fix everything? Of course not. But we sure have nothing to lose because it's not like we could do any worse on O." Got it this time?
But you're right, though. Technically we could do worse. We could be dead last in every category instead of being 29th in PTS/G, 29th in YDS/G, 27th in rushing YPG, 25th in passing YDS/G. Sure, let's pretend that those numbers are perfectly acceptable and Nagy did a fine job in year two.
And when did I ever say Nagy was blameless? Of course he and his coaching staff have to own the bad offense. They're there to get them ready for game. But that has nothing to do with his play calling.
Let's flip this around. Our D even with its struggles last season was a top 10 defense. Now how did that happen? Was it because the offenses they faced all called bad plays? Or was it because the defensive players executed their assignments and imposed their will on the other team? My money is on the later.
If all Nagy did was call a bunch of gimmick plays you might have an argument, but much of what they ran was simple stuff. There were actually far fewer gimmick plays this year because the players were having trouble even getting the simple stuff right. Other teams call screens and they work, yet apart from a couple exceptions the Bears were terrible at them all season. Is some of that on Nagy? You bet. He's in charge of getting his guys ready for the game. But again that has nothing to do with play calling.