Nothing about his draft profile called him a project. but keep up that myth some will believe it.
1 year college production — JUCO transfer Ran go routes only almost exclusively on his highlight reel Wasnt considered a top-10 prospect until after his Combine numbers came out
We have seen this story before and will see it again. It happens almost every year. A better-athlete-than-football-player blows up the Combine with eye-popping numbers (remember Paea’s 52 bench press reps?) and some GMs fall in love. And there’s nothing more illogical than being in love.
Im still waiting for someone to explain how it was wise to, as a very first choice for a new GM, draft a project WR receiver 7th overall at the early outset of a total rebuild of a team that lacked even basic, fundamental pieces. It’s pretty hard to believe that the White pick would have happened had Marshall not just been shown the door. Ryan Pace was like that doofus 45yo guy we all have seen who, fresh out of a bad divorce from a crazy B ex-wife, compounds the mistake by knocking up the first hot mess waitress he meets at a bar.
BOTTOM LINE He's not just a product of West Virginia's system -- he's talented. White showed off 23 reps on the bench press and a blazing 4.35 40 at the combine, proving he has the top-end speed to go with the size and strength. White came into West Virginia with very limited confidence, according to team insiders, but when he left, he had realized his rare talent. White lacks the polish of Amari Cooper, but some teams already believe he has the best upside of any wide receiver in this draft.
I think people way over rate what FA can do for teams. Based on this article that talks about teams based on total money spent, but also has info on amount of singing and the win's-losses over htat same 3 year period, I'll break it down also by # of signings and avg $ spent. *when I mention around .500 I'm talking about teams w/about 2-4 more losses or wins or vise versa.
Total money spent 1-30 There isn't 1 team that isn't hovering around .500 or worse over. 11-20 3 w/more wins to losses of the top 20 in FA spending. 21-32 2 teams w/a losing record, 3 teams w/a .500 record 7 teams w/a winning record
So just throwing money at FA doesn't really help. I dont think anyone should be surprised at this
# of singings: top 10 only NE and Det more wins then losses, the rest are at best .500 most are worse. 11-20 you have 6 teams w/more wins and losses, and 4 teams w/more losses then wins 21-32 you have 5 teams w/significantly more wins then losses, 4 teams around .500, and 3 teams w/more signifcantly more losses then wins.
So the # of signings you have doesn't seem to give a clear conclusion, other then throwing #'s at it doesn't seem to work out well, unless your NE or Det.
avg moeny spent In the top 10 only the Bronco's have a winning record, and only 2 teams have .500 records. 11-20 5 teams have winning records, 1 is around .500 and 4 have losing records. 21-32 7 teams win winning records 3 teams w/.500 records, 2 teams w/losing records.
Much like total money spent, throwing top dollars as top FA's doesn't seem to corralate into wins either.
I still contend(as I have for a couple years now) that FA isn't as big of a deal for most teams as fans want it to be. Good teams don't tend to delve into FA much
As for Souls article, how good or bad the Bears FA signings have been means nothing w/out other teams to compare them to. Who are the teams that are getting to the playoffs constantly and having a shot at SB's b/c of their consistantly great FA signings, both in #'s of FA's and $'s spent? Who are the teams that are as bad as the Bears are, and what are their records? I'll try and look into all that later. Something like good/bad drafts or FA signings means much w/out looking at what others around them are doing.
That would be interesting. Seeing that (playoff teams in FA) + the information you gave above would give a better picture. I also agree that FA is over-rated by fans. It is a piece of team building, but doesn't have the importance fans give it.
FA is flashy. Media loves big names signing and so do fans. Value for dollar is now solely with draft prospects after renegotiating how to value rd 1 contracts.
That would be interesting. Seeing that (playoff teams in FA) + the information you gave above would give a better picture. I also agree that FA is over-rated by fans. It is a piece of team building, but doesn't have the importance fans give it.
FA is flashy. Media loves big names signing and so do fans. Value for dollar is now solely with draft prospects after renegotiating how to value rd 1 contracts.
Exactly. Teams now value picks more than ever (or they should) because of the value saved in the contracts. Teams are getting younger as a result. Free agents now serve a different role than they did before in team building. How that continues to shake out moving forward will be interesting to see.
As much as I think Pace went into last FA with miss-set values (because regardless of how it shook out he wasn't prepared when prices went higher/faster than he thought), I think his shotgun approach is going to be the way teams use FA moving forward. I think these posters who want Pace to sign a #1 WR and a productive OLB/Edge and a RT and a TE and a G and a CB are going to be very disappointed. Look for a bunch of middling or previously injured or high picks that weren't productive to be signed to one year show me contracts.
FA is flashy. Media loves big names signing and so do fans. Value for dollar is now solely with draft prospects after renegotiating how to value rd 1 contracts.
Exactly. Teams now value picks more than ever (or they should) because of the value saved in the contracts. Teams are getting younger as a result. Free agents now serve a different role than they did before in team building. How that continues to shake out moving forward will be interesting to see.
As much as I think Pace went into last FA with miss-set values (because regardless of how it shook out he wasn't prepared when prices went higher/faster than he thought), I think his shotgun approach is going to be the way teams use FA moving forward. I think these posters who want Pace to sign a #1 WR and a productive OLB/Edge and a RT and a TE and a G and a CB are going to be very disappointed. Look for a bunch of middling or previously injured or high picks that weren't productive to be signed to one year show me contracts.
And the high dollar pass rushers and WRs who come up because of CAP, no one will sign and they will be out of the league?
Those guys do come up in FA. They are just very expensive. They will be signed also. And they will help someone. The GM just needs to truly understand who are they guys that can help and who is not. Then if they decide they want to go the middling approach (as Pace did), well then, don't look for much help from FA.
FA is flashy. Media loves big names signing and so do fans. Value for dollar is now solely with draft prospects after renegotiating how to value rd 1 contracts.
Exactly. Teams now value picks more than ever (or they should) because of the value saved in the contracts. Teams are getting younger as a result. Free agents now serve a different role than they did before in team building. How that continues to shake out moving forward will be interesting to see.
As much as I think Pace went into last FA with miss-set values (because regardless of how it shook out he wasn't prepared when prices went higher/faster than he thought), I think his shotgun approach is going to be the way teams use FA moving forward. I think these posters who want Pace to sign a #1 WR and a productive OLB/Edge and a RT and a TE and a G and a CB are going to be very disappointed. Look for a bunch of middling or previously injured or high picks that weren't productive to be signed to one year show me contracts.
Bears Cliff Stien said that he believe the future of FA was this strategy; and that was when Emery was GM. Even if Pace doesn't believe in it, the guys that control the purse strings sure do. But I also agree w/the strategy, I'd rather shotgun young players and hope to hit big then buy high and possibly end up w/Stephone Gilmore, McPhee, or Mike Glennon. The Bears best FA moves have been the small buys, Danny T, Freeman, Prince, Sitton.
Exactly. Teams now value picks more than ever (or they should) because of the value saved in the contracts. Teams are getting younger as a result. Free agents now serve a different role than they did before in team building. How that continues to shake out moving forward will be interesting to see.
As much as I think Pace went into last FA with miss-set values (because regardless of how it shook out he wasn't prepared when prices went higher/faster than he thought), I think his shotgun approach is going to be the way teams use FA moving forward. I think these posters who want Pace to sign a #1 WR and a productive OLB/Edge and a RT and a TE and a G and a CB are going to be very disappointed. Look for a bunch of middling or previously injured or high picks that weren't productive to be signed to one year show me contracts.
And the high dollar pass rushers and WRs who come up because of CAP, no one will sign and they will be out of the league?
Those guys do come up in FA. They are just very expensive. They will be signed also. And they will help someone. The GM just needs to truly understand who are they guys that can help and who is not. Then if they decide they want to go the middling approach (as Pace did), well then, don't look for much help from FA.
Yeah, cause thats what I said. I guess its going to be better to not be a high dollar pass rusher or WR because you'll be out of a job. In fact, teams should only sign UDFA to league min and every time one of them pans out cut him and replace him with a league min UDFA. I guess you can get that out of what I posted as well.
Of course they are going to be signed, who said otherwise? My point is that draft picks now hold more value than ever before and GMs moving forward are going to look more and more towards the draft. I think we'll see more teams sliding toward the Green Bay model than the Redskins model of 5-10 years ago. If, IF a big name pass rusher hits the market he'll sign a huge contract, same with a WR. But teams are getting smarter about contracts.