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Mid Season Grades By Position: Defense and STeams........... Nov 6, 2017 16:15:58 GMT -6

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Nov 6, 2017 15:15:45 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Nov 6, 2017 14:53:33 GMT -6 JABF said:

Those are all valid points. I can't make up my mind yet about Pace, and obviously none of us know what pressures he's dealing with behind the scenes. I have no clue. My gut feeling is that this is a mix of contributing factors that brought the decline of the team. I think there is a ton of blame to go around, including mismanagement on the top, and the latter years of the Angelo/Lovie regime too. Then the bottom dropped out with Emery/Trestman (it just killed the team's roster talent... as if things were not bad enough already). Pace did make mistakes too. Fox too. I am just sitting back watching how it all unfolds between now and January. I do feel like the roster talent arrow is beginning to point up now. Just having Trubisky here will be a big help next year. I honestly don't worry about Pace fixing the WR problem.

I'm not sure that's true. We had one of the top offenses under Trestman. We had offensive talent under him. It is now gone. Some players like Jones did not play well until they had coaches that could develop them. I always said that that under Tucker we were not as bereft of talent as the play on the field showed. They just could not get the best out of the players. We have had all kinds of issues and continue to have all kinds of issues. Some persist, and some are different.

For the past 10-15 years we seem to keep trading back and forth between an effective defense or an effective offense but never both jointly. We did have that opportunity for a few years under Lovie but squandered it.

Then we get Trestman and some improvement in the offense year one but Tucker can't operate the defense he was saddled with and we lacked he personnel to make a change to a 3-4 at that point in time so we got hammered.

Then along comes Fox, we rebuild the defense around Fangio's schemes but Fox sends the offense packing. This is what I mean about the bus constantly veering off course. That has to end or we'll get nowhere.

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Mid Season Grades By Position: Defense and STeams........... Nov 6, 2017 16:22:57 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Nov 6, 2017 16:22:57 GMT -6

Nov 6, 2017 15:15:45 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

Nov 6, 2017 14:53:33 GMT -6 JABF said:

Those are all valid points. I can't make up my mind yet about Pace, and obviously none of us know what pressures he's dealing with behind the scenes. I have no clue. My gut feeling is that this is a mix of contributing factors that brought the decline of the team. I think there is a ton of blame to go around, including mismanagement on the top, and the latter years of the Angelo/Lovie regime too. Then the bottom dropped out with Emery/Trestman (it just killed the team's roster talent... as if things were not bad enough already). Pace did make mistakes too. Fox too. I am just sitting back watching how it all unfolds between now and January. I do feel like the roster talent arrow is beginning to point up now. Just having Trubisky here will be a big help next year. I honestly don't worry about Pace fixing the WR problem.

I'm not sure that's true. We had one of the top offenses under Trestman. We had offensive talent under him. It is now gone. Some players like Jones did not play well until they had coaches that could develop them. I always said that that under Tucker we were not as bereft of talent as the play on the field showed. They just could not get the best out of the players. We have had all kinds of issues and continue to have all kinds of issues. Some persist, and some are different.

You are right in that we did have a good offense the first year Trestman was here, in 2013 (2nd in the NFL is scoring). But the next season, 2014, the bottom dropped out on the offense too (bottom 1/3 of the NFL in scoring).

Here's that 2013 roster (LINK)

Here's the 2014 roster (LINK)
2014 was the year we cut Julius Peppers. The WRs seemed similar to 2013 (still had AJ and Marty Bennett was our TE both seasons)

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Mid Season Grades By Position: Defense and STeams........... Nov 6, 2017 16:30:17 GMT -6

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Nov 6, 2017 16:22:57 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 6, 2017 15:15:45 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

I'm not sure that's true. We had one of the top offenses under Trestman. We had offensive talent under him. It is now gone. Some players like Jones did not play well until they had coaches that could develop them. I always said that that under Tucker we were not as bereft of talent as the play on the field showed. They just could not get the best out of the players. We have had all kinds of issues and continue to have all kinds of issues. Some persist, and some are different.

You are right in that we did have a good offense the first year Trestman was here, in 2013 (2nd in the NFL is scoring). But the next season, 2014, the bottom dropped out on the offense too (bottom 1/3 of the NFL in scoring).

Here's that 2013 roster (LINK)

Here's the 2014 roster (LINK)

By then the defense was so bad the entire team got demoralized. Emery's second big coaching mistake was to retain Tucker for another year and not admit that he had made a mistake because it was Emery who brought Tucker in not Trestman.

At least this time having a GM whose done some good things has kept hopes up and the players like Fox. He's not hard on them and he's experienced at handling a team so why wouldn't they? But liking a HC and playing winning football isn't the same thing.

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Mid Season Grades By Position: Defense and STeams........... Nov 6, 2017 17:50:13 GMT -6

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Nov 6, 2017 16:22:57 GMT -6 JABF said:

Nov 6, 2017 15:15:45 GMT -6 @bearsinhouston said:

I'm not sure that's true. We had one of the top offenses under Trestman. We had offensive talent under him. It is now gone. Some players like Jones did not play well until they had coaches that could develop them. I always said that that under Tucker we were not as bereft of talent as the play on the field showed. They just could not get the best out of the players. We have had all kinds of issues and continue to have all kinds of issues. Some persist, and some are different.

You are right in that we did have a good offense the first year Trestman was here, in 2013 (2nd in the NFL is scoring). But the next season, 2014, the bottom dropped out on the offense too (bottom 1/3 of the NFL in scoring).

Here's that 2013 roster (LINK)

Here's the 2014 roster (LINK)
2014 was the year we cut Julius Peppers. The WRs seemed similar to 2013 (still had AJ and Marty Bennett was our TE both seasons)

yeah... I was PISSED when we cut Peppers. Almost everyone thought he was done because he was not performing here, but I really felt he still had some in the tank. As it turns out, he had even more than I thought.

That second year under Trestman is pretty hard to gauge any sort of performance. He lost the locker room and IMO there was too much dysfunction for the players to even concentrate on playing. Yeah, the offense went down, but I think it was more organizational than anything else. If you remember, it was one of the few times that almost the entire offense came back without any changes. There was nothing wrong with that offense. It was the same offense as the previous year when it was a top offense. It was all Bears organizational (horrific head coaching by Trestman).

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Mid Season Grades By Position: Defense and STeams........... Nov 6, 2017 17:51:22 GMT -6

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Nov 6, 2017 16:30:17 GMT -6 @soulman said:

Nov 6, 2017 16:22:57 GMT -6 JABF said:

You are right in that we did have a good offense the first year Trestman was here, in 2013 (2nd in the NFL is scoring). But the next season, 2014, the bottom dropped out on the offense too (bottom 1/3 of the NFL in scoring).

Here's that 2013 roster (LINK)

Here's the 2014 roster (LINK)

By then the defense was so bad the entire team got demoralized. Emery's second big coaching mistake was to retain Tucker for another year and not admit that he had made a mistake because it was Emery who brought Tucker in not Trestman.

At least this time having a GM whose done some good things has kept hopes up and the players like Fox. He's not hard on them and he's experienced at handling a team so why wouldn't they? But liking a HC and playing winning football isn't the same thing.

I basically said the same thing. It was not the offense.

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