Emma: The End Appears Near For Jay Cutler And The Bears

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Emma: The End Appears Near For Jay Cutler And The Bears Feb 24, 2017 9:44:51 GMT -6 riczaj01 likes this

Post by mpbears68 on Feb 24, 2017 9:44:51 GMT -6

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Feb 23, 2017 23:07:34 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

I'll be glad if we get a 6th for him but I doubt it will happen. I predict he will soon be released.

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And isn't that what they are doing with Romo too?

Don't know about Romo but Cutler is due a sizable roster bonus (think it's $2.5m or so) at the start of the new league year which is only 2-3 weeks away. Since the team has already informed him privately and announced publicly that he's done in Chicago, Pace has to pull off a trade or release him by then. No way he's going to pay the RB (which also hits the cap) for someone that no longer has any chance to be on the September roster.

I've become so jaded and fed up with Cutler that I hope he gets the humiliation of being traded to some shit place like buffalo for a measly 7th round pick in 2021. For years I defended the guy (and there were some legitimate defenses to be made) out of hope. But he never fulfilled his promise at all and I put that mostly on HIM at this point. He obviously has the rare physical talentecessary. He went to Vanderbilt and seems well spoken so I think it's safe to assume he's a reasonably intelligent guy.

That leaves only one real explanation for why he failed to become a star QB in 8 years worth of chances in Chicago: he didn't put in the amount of work and preparation necessary to develop and improve his game. I've come to believe the guy is basically lazy, especially on the vital mental aspects of plating the position. For example, how many times has he been told and coached about holding the ball too low? Yet he never seemed to take that simple and obviously correct piece of advice seriously which is a big reason why he's been a fumbling machine for 8+ years.

Any last vestige of hope I had for him disappeared in that Tampa game this year. It was classic Cutler against a not very good team to boot. 2 stupid picks and a sack fumble. I'm done. Should have been years ago. The guy doesn't get it and doesn't seem to care that he doesn't get it.

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Emma: The End Appears Near For Jay Cutler And The Bears Feb 24, 2017 12:31:38 GMT -6 shark86 and brasilbear like this

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Feb 24, 2017 9:44:51 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Feb 24, 2017 9:27:05 GMT -6 JABF said:

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And isn't that what they are doing with Romo too?

Don't know about Romo but Cutler is due a sizable roster bonus (think it's $2.5m or so) at the start of the new league year which is only 2-3 weeks away. Since the team has already informed him privately and announced publicly that he's done in Chicago, Pace has to pull off a trade or release him by then. No way he's going to pay the RB (which also hits the cap) for someone that no longer has any chance to be on the September roster.

I've become so jaded and fed up with Cutler that I hope he gets the humiliation of being traded to some shit place like buffalo for a measly 7th round pick in 2021. For years I defended the guy (and there were some legitimate defenses to be made) out of hope. But he never fulfilled his promise at all and I put that mostly on HIM at this point. He obviously has the rare physical talentecessary. He went to Vanderbilt and seems well spoken so I think it's safe to assume he's a reasonably intelligent guy.

That leaves only one real explanation for why he failed to become a star QB in 8 years worth of chances in Chicago: he didn't put in the amount of work and preparation necessary to develop and improve his game. I've come to believe the guy is basically lazy, especially on the vital mental aspects of plating the position. For example, how many times has he been told and coached about holding the ball too low? Yet he never seemed to take that simple and obviously correct piece of advice seriously which is a big reason why he's been a fumbling machine for 8+ years.

Any last vestige of hope I had for him disappeared in that Tampa game this year. It was classic Cutler against a not very good team to boot. 2 stupid picks and a sack fumble. I'm done. Should have been years ago. The guy doesn't get it and doesn't seem to care that he doesn't get it.

You are the worst kind of fan. You act like Cutler owes you something. His "promise" has all been in people's minds. Cutler is what he is and it's not his fault fans continue to have unreasonable expectations for him. The fact you want him "humiliated" just exposes your own pettiness.

As far as his contract, he just signed it. He didn't write it. When traded he just accepted it. He didn't deal the draft picks. Others did that so don't hang that on him.

The idea that he doesn't give the effort is ridiculous when you see him on the field. The guy clearly wants to win as evidenced by his play which is often to the point of reckless with the hits he takes. There have never been any reports that Cutler didn't do his due diligence in preparing for games or was lazy. Those are just emotional excuses for why he didn't play like you wanted him to play. He's not shouting at his teammates or bumping them with his shoulder because he'd rather be at home drinking a beer.

This organization has made mistake after mistake with talent, leadership, and coaching, and yet Cutler continues to get a ridiculous amount of the ire for it since he doesn't consistently play like Drew Brees despite these problems. The guy even had a winning record right up until Trestman and Tucker of the Last Placed Defense took over and the team's record without Cutler was just abysmal.

Cutler has his pluses and minuses but he has never been the thing that has been holding this team back, whatever over emotional fans may believe. I would love to have a HOF QB instead of Cutler too but I'm not going to blame him for the team's lack of one.

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Emma: The End Appears Near For Jay Cutler And The Bears Feb 24, 2017 13:15:40 GMT -6

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Payton, all Cutler owes is his complete dedication to his craft to his company, who gave him generational wealth. Something he consistantly showed he didn't do. When he does that, he plays well and the fans get a payoff for buying his jersey, something he gets a cut of.

Name the player in the last 10 years paid more then Cutler over that same time period; when you get paid the most, you get the most priase and the most ridicule when things go good and bad that goes part and parcel w/the money and the position.

There is no one analyst that doesn't think Cutler has a ton of talent, and never lived up to it; for various reasons, some of it squarely landing on him. You also act like no one on this board ever complains about the OL(Jabf and quite literally everyone up until the last few years), or the WR's(name someone happy w/the WRs other then when he had Marhsal/Jeffery/Bennett/Forte and still turned the ball over to much), or the coaches. How many people on this site have stated they wish the Mc's would just sell the team. How many people have debated to death Fox and Emery and Trestman. There are still debates on this board to this day about if there is a need to upgrade the OT and how much of a need it is. btw, one could say you are the worst kind of fan b/c you attack other fans for their opinions of a player that has completely and totally under preformed his entire time as a Bear. But no one on this board would do that b/c that's a pretty shithead thing to do.

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Emma: The End Appears Near For Jay Cutler And The Bears Feb 24, 2017 16:33:02 GMT -6

Post by paytonisgod on Feb 24, 2017 16:33:02 GMT -6

Feb 24, 2017 13:15:40 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Payton, all Cutler owes is his complete dedication to his craft to his company, who gave him generational wealth. Something he consistantly showed he didn't do. When he does that, he plays well and the fans get a payoff for buying his jersey, something he gets a cut of.

Name the player in the last 10 years paid more then Cutler over that same time period; when you get paid the most, you get the most priase and the most ridicule when things go good and bad that goes part and parcel w/the money and the position.

There is no one analyst that doesn't think Cutler has a ton of talent, and never lived up to it; for various reasons, some of it squarely landing on him. You also act like no one on this board ever complains about the OL(Jabf and quite literally everyone up until the last few years), or the WR's(name someone happy w/the WRs other then when he had Marhsal/Jeffery/Bennett/Forte and still turned the ball over to much), or the coaches. How many people on this site have stated they wish the Mc's would just sell the team. How many people have debated to death Fox and Emery and Trestman. There are still debates on this board to this day about if there is a need to upgrade the OT and how much of a need it is. btw, one could say you are the worst kind of fan b/c you attack other fans for their opinions of a player that has completely and totally under preformed his entire time as a Bear. But no one on this board would do that b/c that's a pretty shithead thing to do.

It doesn't matter how much he got paid because he didn't draft the contract. And it's not like he got his money and stopped performing at the same level when he signed those contracts. There's no reason to hate on the guy. He didn't make these decisions.

Your point about complaining about other players actually proves my point. We have not had consistent talent on both sides of the ball for decades. When our defense was good our offensive talent was poor. When our offense got some talent our defense cratered. For the last two years they both have been mediocre to bad. Of course we aren't going to win a lot of games regardless of who's the QB.

The thing is I wasn't even making a case for Cutler's talent. I was pointing out the anger certain fans feel toward him as if Cutler stole their money. He doesn't deserve that. Getting angry at him and wishing him ill should be reserved for the actual decision makers who kept paying him and bringing him back.

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Emma: The End Appears Near For Jay Cutler And The Bears Feb 24, 2017 16:37:11 GMT -6

Post by JABF on Feb 24, 2017 16:37:11 GMT -6

Feb 24, 2017 9:44:51 GMT -6 mpbears68 said:

Feb 24, 2017 9:27:05 GMT -6 JABF said:

+1
And isn't that what they are doing with Romo too?

Don't know about Romo but Cutler is due a sizable roster bonus (think it's $2.5m or so) at the start of the new league year which is only 2-3 weeks away. Since the team has already informed him privately and announced publicly that he's done in Chicago, Pace has to pull off a trade or release him by then. No way he's going to pay the RB (which also hits the cap) for someone that no longer has any chance to be on the September roster.

I've become so jaded and fed up with Cutler that I hope he gets the humiliation of being traded to some shit place like buffalo for a measly 7th round pick in 2021. For years I defended the guy (and there were some legitimate defenses to be made) out of hope. But he never fulfilled his promise at all and I put that mostly on HIM at this point. He obviously has the rare physical talentecessary. He went to Vanderbilt and seems well spoken so I think it's safe to assume he's a reasonably intelligent guy.

That leaves only one real explanation for why he failed to become a star QB in 8 years worth of chances in Chicago: he didn't put in the amount of work and preparation necessary to develop and improve his game. I've come to believe the guy is basically lazy, especially on the vital mental aspects of plating the position. For example, how many times has he been told and coached about holding the ball too low? Yet he never seemed to take that simple and obviously correct piece of advice seriously which is a big reason why he's been a fumbling machine for 8+ years.

Any last vestige of hope I had for him disappeared in that Tampa game this year. It was classic Cutler against a not very good team to boot. 2 stupid picks and a sack fumble. I'm done. Should have been years ago. The guy doesn't get it and doesn't seem to care that he doesn't get it.

I think he cares, although I could be wrong. A lot of QBs go to the NFL level and they simply don't have the mental tools to succeed. This is what scares me about our new QB - whomever that will end up being. Most QBs from college have the physical tools. But so many of them fail because they don't have the mental ability. This is a position that only a tiny percentage of athletes CAN play effectively. Like 1 in a zillion people. Brace yourself because the 30-year hunt for a great QB may take another 30-years. These guys don't grow on trees.

Cutler wasn't the guy. We may have a line of others who fail here too. I don't think they WANT to suck at the NFL level. Who wants to be thought of as a failure? But they do suck.

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Post by paytonisgod on Feb 24, 2017 16:51:48 GMT -6

Feb 24, 2017 16:31:16 GMT -6 JABF said:

I just want to move on now. I felt the same way with Grossman and the QBs before that. No hard feelings. But let's move on to a new guy.

Move on to what? That QB out there that is going to come in and miraculously make this organization into a consistent winner? You might be waiting a while for that.

Look I understand the need for new things but that need is emotionally based. Until we have someone who can legitimately be an upgrade from Cutler there's no reason to get rid of him. Losing didn't feel any better with Hoyer or Barkley out there did it?

There is no reason we can't draft a QB and keep Cutler on until that new guy proves himself. With the CBA that's easier than ever since there is cap on rookie contracts.

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Post by riczaj01 on Feb 24, 2017 16:58:00 GMT -6

Feb 24, 2017 16:33:02 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Feb 24, 2017 13:15:40 GMT -6 riczaj01 said:

Payton, all Cutler owes is his complete dedication to his craft to his company, who gave him generational wealth. Something he consistantly showed he didn't do. When he does that, he plays well and the fans get a payoff for buying his jersey, something he gets a cut of.

Name the player in the last 10 years paid more then Cutler over that same time period; when you get paid the most, you get the most priase and the most ridicule when things go good and bad that goes part and parcel w/the money and the position.

There is no one analyst that doesn't think Cutler has a ton of talent, and never lived up to it; for various reasons, some of it squarely landing on him. You also act like no one on this board ever complains about the OL(Jabf and quite literally everyone up until the last few years), or the WR's(name someone happy w/the WRs other then when he had Marhsal/Jeffery/Bennett/Forte and still turned the ball over to much), or the coaches. How many people on this site have stated they wish the Mc's would just sell the team. How many people have debated to death Fox and Emery and Trestman. There are still debates on this board to this day about if there is a need to upgrade the OT and how much of a need it is. btw, one could say you are the worst kind of fan b/c you attack other fans for their opinions of a player that has completely and totally under preformed his entire time as a Bear. But no one on this board would do that b/c that's a pretty shithead thing to do.

It doesn't matter how much he got paid because he didn't draft the contract. And it's not like he got his money and stopped performing at the same level when he signed those contracts. There's no reason to hate on the guy. He didn't make these decisions.

Your point about complaining about other players actually proves my point. We have not had consistent talent on both sides of the ball for decades. When our defense was good our offensive talent was poor. When our offense got some talent our defense cratered. For the last two years they both have been mediocre to bad. Of course we aren't going to win a lot of games regardless of who's the QB.

The thing is I wasn't even making a case for Cutler's talent. I was pointing out the anger certain fans feel toward him as if Cutler stole their money. He doesn't deserve that. Getting angry at him and wishing him ill should be reserved for the actual decision makers who kept paying him and bringing him back.

First 2 points, actually it all makes a lot of difference unless you are still trying to defend Cutler and his talent lvl and making excuses for why he never reached it; ie everyone around him. While everyone around him was an issue, none were a bigger issue to HIS poor performances then him. No other player was paid like Cutler b/c of the importance of the position AND the money involved, so HE and EVERY QB is going to get more glory and more blame, just how it goes deal with it. Only if your point that you had none. You attacked MP b/c he dogged Cutler, as if he, and other hadn't attacked any other players, I don't remember you defending Leno, Massie, Unrien, Jeffery, White, etc etc etc on down the line like you defend Cutler. If you aren't, and you really believe what you are saying, where have you been, or are you lying, or being a hypocrite?

Again Cutler is the qb and highest paid player on the team, he's going to get more love and more hate, that goes w/the position.

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Emma: The End Appears Near For Jay Cutler And The Bears Feb 24, 2017 17:03:10 GMT -6

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Feb 24, 2017 16:51:48 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

Feb 24, 2017 16:31:16 GMT -6 JABF said:

I just want to move on now. I felt the same way with Grossman and the QBs before that. No hard feelings. But let's move on to a new guy.

Move on to what? That QB out there that is going to come in and miraculously make this organization into a consistent winner? You might be waiting a while for that.

Look I understand the need for new things but that need is emotionally based. Until we have someone who can legitimately be an upgrade from Cutler there's no reason to get rid of him. Losing didn't feel any better with Hoyer or Barkley out there did it?

There is no reason we can't draft a QB and keep Cutler on until that new guy proves himself. With the CBA that's easier than ever since there is cap on rookie contracts.

We'll see how it all plays out. I don't claim to know what's best.

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Feb 24, 2017 16:33:02 GMT -6 paytonisgod said:

It doesn't matter how much he got paid because he didn't draft the contract. And it's not like he got his money and stopped performing at the same level when he signed those contracts. There's no reason to hate on the guy. He didn't make these decisions.

Your point about complaining about other players actually proves my point. We have not had consistent talent on both sides of the ball for decades. When our defense was good our offensive talent was poor. When our offense got some talent our defense cratered. For the last two years they both have been mediocre to bad. Of course we aren't going to win a lot of games regardless of who's the QB.

The thing is I wasn't even making a case for Cutler's talent. I was pointing out the anger certain fans feel toward him as if Cutler stole their money. He doesn't deserve that. Getting angry at him and wishing him ill should be reserved for the actual decision makers who kept paying him and bringing him back.

First 2 points, actually it all makes a lot of difference unless you are still trying to defend Cutler and his talent lvl and making excuses for why he never reached it; ie everyone around him. While everyone around him was an issue, none were a bigger issue to HIS poor performances then him. No other player was paid like Cutler b/c of the importance of the position AND the money involved, so HE and EVERY QB is going to get more glory and more blame, just how it goes deal with it. Only if your point that you had none. You attacked MP b/c he dogged Cutler, as if he, and other hadn't attacked any other players, I don't remember you defending Leno, Massie, Unrien, Jeffery, White, etc etc etc on down the line like you defend Cutler. If you aren't, and you really believe what you are saying, where have you been, or are you lying, or being a hypocrite?

Again Cutler is the qb and highest paid player on the team, he's going to get more love and more hate, that goes w/the position.

There is no "reaching his talent level." He is what he is. Potential is just something in people's head. Cutler has reached his ceiling. He's reached the height of his football abilities. I don't know how many more ways I can say it.

It's nice to think what he maybe could have been in if he had gotten a brain transplant from Joe Montana but obviously that isn't happening. So continuing to pillory the guy for some imaginary standard people continue to bring up as if it has some relevance to reality is foolish and unfair to the guy.

Shaquille O'Neal had a career 52.7 free throw percentage which is abysmal even for a big guy. It was so bad teams had a deliberate strategy of fouling him in certain situations to get the ball back since there was little chance of him making both free throws. It is arguably the guys biggest flaw and if he had even raised it to something like 66% it would have made him an even better player. But it never went above 60% in a season. This wasn't for a lack of trying or because he didn't care. He saw coach after coach and specialist after specialist all trying to get him to his "potential." It never worked and he never got significantly better. The reality was for whatever reason he had reached his ceiling and was never going to be even a passable free throw shooter. His "potential" was just a hope, not a reality.

Cutler is the same way. He has some flaws that are never going to go away. Not because he doesn't feel like fixing them (I guarantee he wishes he threw less INTs whatever his body language) it's that he can't because of who and what he is. Whatever that hidden limitation is he cannot overcome it no matter what he does. So getting angry with him and wishing the guy ill is a shitty thing to do to a guy who has likely shortened his lifespan playing for this team.

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