Post by brasilbear on Oct 21, 2019 14:39:09 GMT -6
I think there are lots of excuses left like....too cold, stadium stinks, refs don't like them, fans were booing...what else.....
I'm not interested in blowing everything up and starting over. At least not yet. This is a team that went 12-4 last season. Maybe make a change at QB, use a second for a QB, sign/trade for a vet...but blowing it up means 3-4 years of 5-11.
Just a sidehanded slap to all of em. In other words everybody needs to step up and take responsibility.
Surprised he said it to the media, that should be in house only. The cracks are getting bigger. . .
Maybe he has and nothing was happening.
This def should have all sorts of leaders, that why they got Smith, its why they re signed Hicks, it's why they traded for Mack.
Isn't Long a leader? Shouldn't ARob be one, what about Whitehair?
Got to start wondering if Daniels isn't as good at OC as he is as LG, and Whitehair isn't better at OC as he is as OC, and both are better then the other at their original spots. People keep saying it's the same 5 guys, but Long was obviously hurt all year, and Daniel/Whitehair are playing different positions. It shouldn't look like this, but it might be something to it.
Mitch, wasn't one of the things they liked about him is leadership/intangibles and upside? He isn't showing anyupside, it sounds like he's showing the others, but not sure if anyo of it matters if he's not performing on the field. All the talk of him staying at HH and working on his stuff is starting to remind me of Rex, they said the same things about him, and it never clicked for him either.
+1 to all of that.
I was thinking the same thing about Whitehair and Daniels. Maybe it was a bad decision, but one that can be fixed. Or, maybe Daniels just needs more time to adjust to playing center at the NFL level. I don't know.
Mitch seems like a really good guy, but not a very dynamic personality (not even close). He actually comes off as an introvert and quiet. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the best personality for a franchise QB. Regarding the Rex comparison, I do see that "Rex look" on Mitch's face in games where he is clearly overwhelmed and looking kind of scared. Rex would get that same kind of look. I feel sorry for Trubisky because I believe the franchise QB gig is too big for him. I could be 100% wrong, but he doesn't look the part.
The Bears (and Nagy) have done everything they can to talk up how great Mitch is working to get better, but my gut feeling is that Nagy and Pace both know Mitch is not the guy needed to run this offense at the level Nagy envisions having here. I don't think the blocking is there TO run the ball. So Nagy can't run effectively and Trubisky can't seem to pass effectively on a consistent basis. Can't run. Can't pass. And the QB looks pretty clueless against solid teams. The D was keeping us in games for awhile, but now they are (for whatever reason) not getting it done.
I'm not saying our problems are all on Mitch (and clearly there's a lot going wrong right now on offense, defense and special teams). But I smell a very low-ceiling guy here. Very inconsistent like we've seen so many times before with the past 40+ QBs whom have started for the Bears over the years of mediocre to poor offenses.
I think there are lots of excuses left like....too cold, stadium stinks, refs don't like them, fans were booing...what else.....
I'm not interested in blowing everything up and starting over. At least not yet. This is a team that went 12-4 last season. Maybe make a change at QB, use a second for a QB, sign/trade for a vet...but blowing it up means 3-4 years of 5-11.
Not Interested.
OK, so what then?
Daniel is a journeyman vet backup with zero upside. Bray is a career UDFA/fringe roster QB. And benching Mitch now ends any (tiny) sliver of hope left that he might still be salvageable.
Are we gonna get a better QB than Trubs in round 2 next year? Before you say yes, consider that Geno Smith/DeShone Kizer are the typical kinds of QBs you get in round 2. I'm not opposed to taking a shot but odds of getting someone who can lead a playoff run as a rookie are low.
What vet do you want to get?
Rosen? 2 garbage teams already gave up on him but maybe he has upside Foles? Coming off ACL and will be pricey (EDIT: my bad, he has a collarbone, not ACL) Bridgewater? Major injury concerns
Not many options are there.
Bears are up the creek without a paddle right now. Not much cap space or draft capital to work with and huge investments in Trub and Mack looking increasingly like a waste or ill-timed in Mack's case.
I don't have any answers that are gonna turn this around for 2020. It's a total CF.
Hate to say this, but the only player the Bears have who could garner a 1st round pick is Mack. You'd have to find a trading partner in win-now-mode willing to give up a 1st and who has the cap to accommodate his contract. Tall order there
I think there are lots of excuses left like....too cold, stadium stinks, refs don't like them, fans were booing...what else.....
I'm not interested in blowing everything up and starting over. At least not yet. This is a team that went 12-4 last season. Maybe make a change at QB, use a second for a QB, sign/trade for a vet...but blowing it up means 3-4 years of 5-11.
Not Interested.
OK, so what then?
Daniel is a journeyman vet backup with zero upside. Bray is a career UDFA/fringe roster QB. And benching Mitch now ends any (tiny) sliver of hope left that he might still be salvageable.
Are we gonna get a better QB than Trubs in round 2 next year? Before you say yes, consider that Geno Smith/DeShone Kizer are the typical kinds of QBs you get in round 2. I'm not opposed to taking a shot but odds of getting someone who can lead a playoff run as a rookie are low.
What vet do you want to get?
Rosen? 2 garbage teams already gave up on him but maybe he has upside Foles? Coming off ACL and will be pricey (EDIT: my bad, he has a collarbone, not ACL) Bridgewater? Major injury concerns
Not many options are there.
Bears are up the creek without a paddle right now. Not much cap space or draft capital to work with and huge investments in Trub and Mack looking increasingly like a waste or ill-timed in Mack's case.
I don't have any answers that are gonna turn this around for 2020. It's a total CF.
Hate to say this, but the only player the Bears have who could garner a 1st round pick is Mack. You'd have to find a trading partner in win-now-mode willing to give up a 1st and who has the cap to accommodate his contract. Tall order there
Don't disagree with you. I have the same number of answers as you do. None. Just saying that blowing it all up means 3-4 years of not competing again. Got to try and short cut it some how. How? Don't know, but Pace needs to figure it out.
Daniel is a journeyman vet backup with zero upside. Bray is a career UDFA/fringe roster QB. And benching Mitch now ends any (tiny) sliver of hope left that he might still be salvageable.
Are we gonna get a better QB than Trubs in round 2 next year? Before you say yes, consider that Geno Smith/DeShone Kizer are the typical kinds of QBs you get in round 2. I'm not opposed to taking a shot but odds of getting someone who can lead a playoff run as a rookie are low.
What vet do you want to get?
Rosen? 2 garbage teams already gave up on him but maybe he has upside Foles? Coming off ACL and will be pricey (EDIT: my bad, he has a collarbone, not ACL) Bridgewater? Major injury concerns
Not many options are there.
Bears are up the creek without a paddle right now. Not much cap space or draft capital to work with and huge investments in Trub and Mack looking increasingly like a waste or ill-timed in Mack's case.
I don't have any answers that are gonna turn this around for 2020. It's a total CF.
Hate to say this, but the only player the Bears have who could garner a 1st round pick is Mack. You'd have to find a trading partner in win-now-mode willing to give up a 1st and who has the cap to accommodate his contract. Tall order there
Don't disagree with you. I have the same number of answers as you do. None. Just saying that blowing it all up means 3-4 years of not competing again. Got to try and short cut it some how. How? Don't know, but Pace needs to figure it out.
I know it does.
My faith in Ryan Pace, given his record of complete offensive ineptitude as a GM, suddenly "figuring it out" is pretty low right now. Hate to say it, but I think most likely he and Nagy are gonna make excuses this year, put lipstick on the pig this offseason, trot Trubs out again next year with similar results, and then both get fired in January 2021 when Trubs rookie contract expires.
Then we will start the whole goddam rodeo over again at the beginning with a new GM hiring a new HC making flowery promises and still trying to find a franchise QB after 35 years of failure.