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Jul 12, 2019 8:35:23 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

I am really happy to see some of the Bears from the 50s and earlier getting some love.

IMO a lot of the rankings for great players are very date centric. Meaning that guys who have played in the last 20 years or so get all the attention. A lot of the guys who played 30, 40, 50+ years ago were really awesome players. The game has changed a lot since these guys played and while they probably could not compete in today's NFL, they were total studs for their era.

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And while athletes in general now benefit from nutritional, medical and training advances (guys are bigger and faster), there is the fact that the game was far more brutal back then. The game allowed just about anything. QBs in particular were beaten pretty badly. These were very very tough human beings. It says Trafton knocked 4 men stone-cold unconscious in a span of 12 plays.

Think about that.

The protective equipment was crap. Anything short of killing a man on the field was pretty routine stuff. You'd see games with multiple QBs carted off the field in a game (I've seen that in my own time, back in the day). They were tough S.O.B.s back then. And they played both ways, on offense AND defense. It was a "full game" of play for a player back then.

So, I do have a respect for those guys who were the "best of the best" back when the sport was something out of a Road Warrior Thunderdome type scenario. Kudos to those guys. BTW, I'm all for the player protections we now have in place... I'm not saying I'd like to see the game revert back to those old days. I just admire the guts it took to play under those old rules.

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Jul 12, 2019 5:31:38 GMT -6 brasilbear said:

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What do ya got?

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Chris Chandler?
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Caleb Hanie?

GET OUTTA HERE.

Link Lyman!

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In December 1925, Lyman joined the Chicago Bears and took part in a winter barnstorming tour that featured football player Red Grange.[29] He joined the Bears again in the fall of 1926. The 1926 Bears team featured five players who were later inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (Lyman, Paddy Driscoll, George Halas, Ed Healey, and George Trafton), posted a 12–1–3 record, and finished second in the NFL.

Lyman remained with the Bears for the 1927 and 1928 seasons.[1] He retired after the 1928 season but returned to the Bears in the fall of 1930.[30] The 1930 Bears compiled a 9–4–1 and finished third in the NFL. Lyman was selected as a first-team All-Pro by Collyer's Eye magazine and the Green Bay Press-Gazette.[31]

Lyman again retired from playing football after the 1931 season. During his two retirements from the Bears, Lyman played semipro ball in Texas and worked in the ranching business.[32]

Lyman returned to the Bears in 1933. The 1933 Bears featured six future Pro Football Hall of Fame players (Lyman, Bronko Nagurski, Red Grange, George Musso, and George Trafton), posted a 10–2–1 record, and defeated the Giants in the 1933 NFL Championship Game.[33]

Lyman played his final year of professional football as a member of the 1934 Bears team that compiled a perfect 13–0 record in the regular season and won the NFL Western Division championship, but lost to the Giants in the 1934 NFL Championship Game.[34] After the 1934 season, Lyman was selected as a first-team All-Pro by the United Press, Green Bay Press-Gazette, and Collyer's Eye.[35] Bears' coach George Halas later observed that Lyman was "stronger and tougher during his last two seasons than when he first joined the team eight years earlier."[36]
Shifting on defense

Lyman was a pioneer in the use of shifting maneuvers to disrupt the blocking assignments of offensive linemen. According to his biography at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, "the constant shifting by defensive players before each play in modern professional football can be traced back to Lyman, who regularly resorted to similar ploys. His sliding, shifting style of defensive line play confused his opponents and made him one of the most respected players of his time. Lyman explained that the idea of shifting was an instinctive move to fool a blocker. He had a unique ability to diagnose a play and many times he would make his move just as the ball was snapped."[36]

Steve Owen, who played with Lyman in 1925 and later served as coach of the Giants, recalled: "Link was the first lineman I ever saw who moved from the assigned defensive position before the ball was snapped. It was difficult to play against him because he would vary his moves and no matter how you reacted, you could be wrong."[37]
Career accomplishments and honors

Lyman received many honors for his contributions to the game, including being inducted into the Helms Foundation major league football Hall of Fame (January 1961)[38] and the Nebraska Sports Hall of Fame and receiving the University of Nebraska's Distinguished Alumni Award in June 1961.[39] His greatest honor came in February 1964 when he was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame as part of the second class of inductees.[40]

During his 11 years in the NFL, Lyman won four NFL championships and never had a losing season. (In 1929, following Lyman's first retirement, the Bears posted a 4–9–2 record.)[41] He was selected five times as a first-team All-Pro and appeared in 133 official NFL games. He was known as one of the true "iron men" of iron man era. Counting unofficial games, he appeared in a total of 286 professional games and played 211-1/2 hours in those games.[42][43] At the time of his retirement and for many years thereafter, he held the NFL records for games and playing time logged.[44]

A few posts ago I mentioned an innovator. Well, here is one of the first and best. I don't know about you, but just look at this guy. I'd be like the packers and pee my pants too!

On a side note, Why are there so many "Rocky" films? Because Rocky was smart enough NOT to fight Lyman in any of them!

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Post by MartianBearsFan on Jul 12, 2019 18:07:51 GMT -6

Jul 12, 2019 8:35:23 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

I am really happy to see some of the Bears from the 50s and earlier getting some love.

IMO a lot of the rankings for great players are very date centric. Meaning that guys who have played in the last 20 years or so get all the attention. A lot of the guys who played 30, 40, 50+ years ago were really awesome players. The game has changed a lot since these guys played and while they probably could not compete in today's NFL, they were total studs for their era.

I think those who played in the 20's, 30's and 40's where the bigger studs. They played iron men football.

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Post by dachuckster on Jul 14, 2019 7:37:24 GMT -6

Jul 12, 2019 18:07:51 GMT -6 MartianBearsFan said:

Jul 12, 2019 8:35:23 GMT -6 dachuckster said:

I am really happy to see some of the Bears from the 50s and earlier getting some love.

IMO a lot of the rankings for great players are very date centric. Meaning that guys who have played in the last 20 years or so get all the attention. A lot of the guys who played 30, 40, 50+ years ago were really awesome players. The game has changed a lot since these guys played and while they probably could not compete in today's NFL, they were total studs for their era.

I think those who played in the 20's, 30's and 40's where the bigger studs. They played iron men football.

One of my all time favorite Bears is Sid Luckman. Even though he played most of his career in the 30's and 40's, he still holds several NFL passing records to this day. A real feat considering his season was 10 games.

He is tied for the most TD passes in a single game (7).
He is #2 in the NFL with 8.4 yards per passing attempt. (FWIW the #1 is Otto Graham who played in the 40's and 50's and was another great QB.)
He is #1 all time single season touchdown percentage (13.9% in 1943)
He is #2 all time for single season yards per attempt (10.9 in 1943).
I cannot find a published stat for this but I believe he is #1 all time for average number of passing TDs per game at 2.8 TDs per game in 1943.

My favorite game if his was the 1943 championship game where he went 15 out of 26 for 286 yards, 5 TDs, 0 Int. He rushed 6 times for 84 yards (was the leading rusher for the game, beating Bronco Nagurski for that). He returned 2 punts for 32 yards (led the Bears in return yardage that game). And returned 2 Ints for 39 yards (also leading the Bears in Ints).

Talk about an Iron Man!!

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