People gave Cutler more then 1 year grizz. I was a "hater" and I wasn't off the train after 1 year.
We don't disagree w/that. I didn't have him as a top pick, or a top qb pick. But again if his ceiling, after everyone is developed is seen as higher then the other qbs taken, then you take him. B/c it's nota 3-4 year position, it's a 15-20 year position if he works out. Why would you worry about the first couple years out of 1-2 decades.
projects get drafted all the time in the first 2 rounds b/c of talent and upside. They don't always work out, but it does happen.
I know that. I'm just saying there were quite a few people screaming on Twitter after his first season. ^^
A couple of relevant tweets from Bryan Perez (editor of the TheBearsWire - USA Today)
To be fair, the only reason Aikman ended up w/ a gold jacket was because he won three SBs and played for America's team. When you look at his regular season stats, he was very average and almost Cutleresque.
81.6 RAT, 165 TD, 141 INT - totally overrated HoFer. I really hope Mitch's ceiling is higher than that.
A couple of relevant tweets from Bryan Perez (editor of the TheBearsWire - USA Today)
To be fair, the only reason Aikman ended up w/ a gold jacket was because he won three SBs and played for America's team. When you look at his regular season stats, he was very average and almost Cutleresque.
81.6 RAT, 165 TD, 141 INT - totally overrated HoFer. I really hope Mitch's ceiling is higher than that.
to be fair when he played in the 90's, it was a bit harder to play qb. but ya he was average in the reg season, same w/Eli and Flacco, but at least Eli will end up in the Hall also. post season should matter more shouldn't it?
A couple of relevant tweets from Bryan Perez (editor of the TheBearsWire - USA Today)
To be fair, the only reason Aikman ended up w/ a gold jacket was because he won three SBs and played for America's team. When you look at his regular season stats, he was very average and almost Cutleresque.
81.6 RAT, 165 TD, 141 INT - totally overrated HoFer. I really hope Mitch's ceiling is higher than that.
I wasn't trying to equate Trubisky with Aikman. And not attempting to say he will be our elite franchise QB in a year or so.
Just that this kind of discussion is basically meaningless at this point in time. Not enough time and not enough data to make an accurate assessment.
I mentioned this in the other thread but maybe it's relevant here too. I re-watched the Arizona game last night and I'm glad I did. The Bears offense (and Trubisky) wasn't as bad as I first thought. I probably over reacted during and right after the game because after watching the game last night I came away more hopeful about the offense in general and Trubisky in particular. There are things that can be cleaned up this season. You can see that there is talent to work with this year (unlike many years on the offense here). It is there. Trubisky had some good plays. And some of the breakdowns on offense were not on him. I wouldn't be surprised to see the offense perform significantly better after the bye week. The O needs to get better in the red zone. That is hurting the team now.
He's also the least experienced qb in the last 2 years. Guy had next to no college starting experience; it's why I didn't want the Bears to take him. But they did, and now they have to deal w/the growing pains. And it will take more then 16 nfl starts to deal with it. My neighbor(more a college fan then pro fan) put it well, it's like he went from pee wee to college ball, the jump is stupid complex, and on top of that he has to learn a complex O that takes at least 2 offseasons and 1 season to learn(per mahomes); smith said it took him several years to get comfortable with.
Mitch is going to struggle most of this year. I won't get worried until the end of this year and the first part of next year.
+1
Trubisky may turn out okay, and I 100% hope he does and I DEFINITELY have NOT given up on him. But right now the game looks too big for him. Experience may certainly change that. But to say he is a dead-bang certainty to make it in the NFL is premature at this time. He could still end up a bust. JMO. He stares down his receivers... locks on the option #1 and often that is "it" for the play. He'll force the ball into coverage. His accuracy (supposedly his strong suit when we drafted him) is not very impressive and certainly not consistent.
He has a long long long ways to go. His next start will be his 16th. Yes he played under a coach last year that we hate. But honestly, I was thinking yesterday that after roughly a year of starting for the Bears he looks like a Kyle Orton level QB. I get it that he SHOULD improve over the next few years. He may. He may not. I am waiting to see it happen.
Trubisky has more than one problem. I assume he has already mastered the Nagy offense on paper, but he does not execute it well on the field. He needs to stay in the pocket longer and move around inside the pocket as he goes through his progressions. The O-line gives him time to do this, but instead he starts rolling out to his right looking downfield, and then throws late (and over the middle!) which invites interceptions. He drops too deep. He has “happy feet” instead of planting his back foot and throwing with good form. At this point, I am not sure about why he misses his long passes. Does he have poor distance control, or does he not yet have a good enough gauge of how fast his WRs can run?
But the biggest problem of all for the Bears is their redzone offense. We are going to start losing games no matter how well the D plays if these guys can only score once in four tries in the redzone. If these receivers are not getting open in the endzone, then run Howard. Unfortunately, we have not shown an O-line that can pound it in for the score on first-and-goal from the 5-yard line, even with Howard back there. That is sad! Anyhow, this redzone offense is a huge problem that Nagy needs to get fixed soon if we are going to make the playoffs.
Trubisky may turn out okay, and I 100% hope he does and I DEFINITELY have NOT given up on him. But right now the game looks too big for him. Experience may certainly change that. But to say he is a dead-bang certainty to make it in the NFL is premature at this time. He could still end up a bust. JMO. He stares down his receivers... locks on the option #1 and often that is "it" for the play. He'll force the ball into coverage. His accuracy (supposedly his strong suit when we drafted him) is not very impressive and certainly not consistent.
He has a long long long ways to go. His next start will be his 16th. Yes he played under a coach last year that we hate. But honestly, I was thinking yesterday that after roughly a year of starting for the Bears he looks like a Kyle Orton level QB. I get it that he SHOULD improve over the next few years. He may. He may not. I am waiting to see it happen.
Trubisky has more than one problem. I assume he has already mastered the Nagy offense on paper, but he does not execute it well on the field. He needs to stay in the pocket longer and move around inside the pocket as he goes through his progressions. The O-line gives him time to do this, but instead he starts rolling out to his right looking downfield, and then throws late (and over the middle!) which invites interceptions. He drops too deep. He has “happy feet” instead of planting his back foot and throwing with good form. At this point, I am not sure about why he misses his long passes. Does he have poor distance control, or does he not yet have a good enough gauge of how fast his WRs can run?
But the biggest problem of all for the Bears is their redzone offense. We are going to start losing games no matter how well the D plays if these guys can only score once in four tries in the redzone. If these receivers are not getting open in the endzone, then run Howard. Unfortunately, we have not shown an O-line that can pound it in for the score on first-and-goal from the 5-yard line, even with Howard back there. That is sad! Anyhow, this redzone offense is a huge problem that Nagy needs to get fixed soon if we are going to make the playoffs.
" I assume he has already mastered the Nagy offense on paper,"
Why? Alex Smith said it took him multiple years, and Mahomes stated he credited sitting for 1 year to be able to learn the system w/out having to play. This is a complex system that takes more then 1 year to fully master, on paper or otherwise.
Saw that in AZ he was releasing the ball in 2.5 sec's, or something like that. Think back to GB and the tale of 2 halves. Was it the OL doing it's job in the 2nd half, or failing in the 1st; or was it the difference between Rogers holding the ball for 3.5 sec's and getting it out in 2.5 between the 2 halves?
He did state that out of the shotgun he's having a problem setting his feet properly; so that is legit, and something they are working on. The O play calls, especially in the redzone, doubly so in near the goalline get to cute w/an inexperienced qb. They need to use Howard or some simple playaction to create easy throws off of Howard.
A couple of relevant tweets from Bryan Perez (editor of the TheBearsWire - USA Today)
Does everyone just ignore the fact that Football even during that time wasn't close to the pass happy football of today. So using struggling QBs in the past ain't always great comparison.
I be willing to bet these QBs would look like Wentz or Goff does now if they just started.
Of course no one wants to talk about this because it goes against the narrative that it isn't Trubisky fault for his poor performance.