Post by GrizzlyBear on Sept 25, 2018 7:17:06 GMT -6
So let me get this straight. If our franchise QB ends up just being average, people are gonna be okay w/ that. But when Cutler was being average (and yes, he was), people went nuts and wanted him gone asap.
How come? Shouldn't we hold our 2nd pick overall to a higher standard than Cutty?
and that's why he shouldn't have been the 2nd pick in the draft. and you cannot hold him to those expectations bc hos experience says he cannot be that far along no matter where he got drafted.
this is a kid that is going to take into 3 years to start to get it, if he gets it at all.
I don't disagree but then shouldn't Pace be hold accountable for reaching for a prospect who wasn't ready? Because trading up for a guy who's going to need multiple years to learn a playbook isn't worth the second pick overall imo.
So let me get this straight. If our franchise QB ends up just being average, people are gonna be okay w/ that. But when Cutler was being average (and yes, he was), people went nuts and wanted him gone asap.
How come? Shouldn't we hold our 2nd pick overall to a higher standard than Cutty?
1 is in the 2nd year of his NFL career and had 14 college starts. One was in his 8 year of his NFL career. Which one should have the higher standard held to him? 8 year vet w/tons of NFL film on him showing he's average or 2 year nfl player that everyone...EVERYONE...knew was going to take 2-3 years minimum to come out b/c of next to no college xp.
and that's why he shouldn't have been the 2nd pick in the draft. and you cannot hold him to those expectations bc hos experience says he cannot be that far along no matter where he got drafted.
this is a kid that is going to take into 3 years to start to get it, if he gets it at all.
I don't disagree but then shouldn't Pace be hold accountable for reaching for a prospect who wasn't ready? Because trading up for a guy who's going to need multiple years to learn a playbook isn't worth the second pick overall imo.
Depends on how Mitch turns out once he's completed his development and is a finished product. He's not yet. He's in year 2, again there are a lot of qb's that aren't yr 1 or 2 ready. It can take 2-4 years for some guys; Mitch it's going to be a minimum of 2 1/2 to 3 1/2; kid had no college starts.
If Pace took a long term approach and decided that at the end of the line Mitch was the best qb, even if he wasn't the best yr 1 and 2, are we going to be complaining?
I don't disagree but then shouldn't Pace be hold accountable for reaching for a prospect who wasn't ready? Because trading up for a guy who's going to need multiple years to learn a playbook isn't worth the second pick overall imo.
Depends on how Mitch turns out once he's completed his development and is a finished product. He's not yet. He's in year 2, again there are a lot of qb's that aren't yr 1 or 2 ready. It can take 2-4 years for some guys; Mitch it's going to be a minimum of 2 1/2 to 3 1/2; kid had no college starts.
If Pace took a long term approach and decided that at the end of the line Mitch was the best qb, even if he wasn't the best yr 1 and 2, are we going to be complaining?
I agree with this but unfortunately Glen-neck, our place keeper QB we had played worse. But then again that was worse with Foxy.
I posted somewhere else about playing Trubs now. I think it would have been much better to have him sit for a FULL year at the very least. I know that was the intent but is too late to do that now without deflating the poor kid. Daniels would be more serviceable to play the majority of the snaps but again, what is done is done.
Depends on how Mitch turns out once he's completed his development and is a finished product. He's not yet. He's in year 2, again there are a lot of qb's that aren't yr 1 or 2 ready. It can take 2-4 years for some guys; Mitch it's going to be a minimum of 2 1/2 to 3 1/2; kid had no college starts.
If Pace took a long term approach and decided that at the end of the line Mitch was the best qb, even if he wasn't the best yr 1 and 2, are we going to be complaining?
I agree with this but unfortunately Glen-neck, our place keeper QB we had played worse. But then again that was worse with Foxy.
I posted somewhere else about playing Trubs now. I think it would have been much better to have him sit for a FULL year at the very least. I know that was the intent but is too late to do that now without deflating the poor kid. Daniels would be more serviceable to play the majority of the snaps but again, what is done is done.
Daniels has never done anything to prove he should have any starts. other then that I agree.
at this point you just have to deal with this year and expect better the next 2 yrs
Depends on how Mitch turns out once he's completed his development and is a finished product. He's not yet. He's in year 2, again there are a lot of qb's that aren't yr 1 or 2 ready. It can take 2-4 years for some guys; Mitch it's going to be a minimum of 2 1/2 to 3 1/2; kid had no college starts.
If Pace took a long term approach and decided that at the end of the line Mitch was the best qb, even if he wasn't the best yr 1 and 2, are we going to be complaining?
I agree with this but unfortunately Glen-neck, our place keeper QB we had played worse. But then again that was worse with Foxy.
I posted somewhere else about playing Trubs now. I think it would have been much better to have him sit for a FULL year at the very least. I know that was the intent but is too late to do that now without deflating the poor kid. Daniels would be more serviceable to play the majority of the snaps but again, what is done is done.
That sentence basically sums up the bulk of the scouting on Trubisky prior to the draft. Personally I would have liked Watson or Mahomes. But who knows what would have happened to them under a year of Foxxy and the Hobbit.
But we have Mitch and I am going to pull for him until it is painfully obvious that he won't make it.
While talking about QBs, my sleeper to become a total stud form the 2018 draft is Mason Rudolph
I agree with this but unfortunately Glen-neck, our place keeper QB we had played worse. But then again that was worse with Foxy.
I posted somewhere else about playing Trubs now. I think it would have been much better to have him sit for a FULL year at the very least. I know that was the intent but is too late to do that now without deflating the poor kid. Daniels would be more serviceable to play the majority of the snaps but again, what is done is done.
Daniels has never done anything to prove he should have any starts. other then that I agree.
at this point you just have to deal with this year and expect better the next 2 yrs
I only say Daniels because he is what we have. Ohhhh I know, how about another run with good ole Cutty...hahahah
Post by brasilbear on Sept 25, 2018 10:31:00 GMT -6
Problem with playing Chase Daniel is that he does nothing for your future. We already know Daniel is just a guy, he's done nothing in his career to warrant starting over a high draft pick. Mitch has to go through these learning struggles. Its a baptism by fire, he's either going to get it or he won't, and only having him playing regularly will tell the team anything.
Remember, this is still the team we all thought was going to struggle on OFF because of Trubisky. We all knew this. We all predicted somewhere around 8-8 because of the OFF struggles. But then Pace added Mack and suddenly we all realized that the DEF was going to even better than we thought and better than 8-8 was a distinct possibility. And we (the royal we people, the royal we, I don't mean you specifically, I mean the collective Beardom) looked at the OFF and now Trubisky isn't getting the year we all knew he was going to need. Adding Mack shouldn't change how we view Trubisky and the time he needs to learn/play the OFF.
This is still a young DEF. The winning window is just starting to open, its not going to slam shut halfway through this season or even next season. Don't get taken in my the talking heads and their "wasting a great DEF" chatter.
1 is in the 2nd year of his NFL career and had 14 college starts. One was in his 8 year of his NFL career. Which one should have the higher standard held to him? 8 year vet w/tons of NFL film on him showing he's average or 2 year nfl player that everyone...EVERYONE...knew was going to take 2-3 years minimum to come out b/c of next to no college xp.
I meant Mitch being average after 3-4 years. Are people really gonna be okay w/ that? Because they sure as hell weren't after Cutler's first season in CHI (4th overall).
And if everyone knew he was going to need 2-3 years to come out then no one should have had him as a first or second rd pick in their mocks. There should never be "projects" in first or even 2nd rounds. The first 50 players should always be considered day one starters who don't need any more practice and are good to go.
You don't draft projects in the first two rds, that's what late rd picks are for.